For those who actually think {like poster "lost pioneer" and others) that there's a so-called "Pink Room" in the Salt Lake City temple where Mormon leaders are (even as we speak and unbeknownst to local law enforcement) sacrificing children to Elohim, you'll love similarly brain-dead legends of secret labyrinths and cities built by the Mormon Church under SLC's downtown streets that are surrounded by the everlasting hills. (For the murderous Mormon "Pink Room" thread, see: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,822628)

But on, as they say, to more exciting things. We've only just begun to dig!

--Tales from a Tunnel Brat About the Myth That Will Not Die: Those Mysterious LDS Labyrinths Under Downtown SLC

Is there an underground city and other shenanigans in Salt Lake City?

Take a deep breath, please, clear your head a bit and let's talk tunnels.

In a previous RfM thread, poster "anon" asked the following:

"[Is the] City Creek project [an] underground city, money laundering operation?"

("city creek project--underground city, money laundering operation?, " by "anon," at "Recovery from Mormonism" bulletin board, 15 February 2011)
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Then RfM saw a poster, "ex-sushi-chef," in a breathless follow-up, address the same silly question, posted by RfMer

"Hi everyone. Conspiracy show time again.

"'Someone seems worrying/anticipating if the flood comes to the city creek. . . .'

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,187769


"But, what about those subterranean tunnel network stuff, aren't they real???

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_underground18b.htm . . .

http://searchwarp.com/swa695264-A-Conspiracy-Of-Ufo-Aliens-And-United-States-Government.htm

"(Aren't there any 33+ degree masons among LDS??? Saw a webpage somewhere, says the current president 40th).

"The main reason so much money has to be spent is that probably church authories have had a clandestine deal to build underground facilities right below the mall to be a part of that network???

"Eventually going to hide themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains....to go into the clefts and the holes of the rocks and into the tops of the ragged rocks and the caves of the earth???

"Rocks of the mountains' mean Rocky Mountains, Denver, Salt Lake, etc.???"

("underground bunker/shelter below the new mall for a few, chosen elite families???," by "ex_sushi_chef," at "Recovery from Mormonism" bulletin board, 12 May 2011)
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Oh, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.

While I don't have the insider pooper scooper regarding allegations of Mormon money laundering shenanigans, I think I can say with some degree of reasonableness that wild speculations about a supposed nuclear bomb-proof city complex reposing under the streets of SLC only makes critics of the Mormon Church with legitimate points of view look like nutwads rivaling LDS believers in Kolobian glory.

(I can also say that I worked for a Salt Lake City-based demolition company back during part of my BYU days in the 1970s, where we tore down a bunch of junk in downtown SLC to make way for the then-Crossroads Mall. There were dozers and hosers and a big, gaping, squared-off hole that could easily be viewed by the passing public, so I don't see how some kind of Secret City of the Saints could be built without folks getting wind of a whole lot of strangeness goin' on).

Anyway, allow me to tell you about some actual underground "facilities," if you will, that do exist under the roads in downtown SLC (at least the ones that I have personally experienced).

I'm talking about the Mormon tunnel system (such as I traveled it) running under Temple Square and connected to Mormon Church offices in downtown Salt Lake City.

I traversed the main tunnel several times over the years.

As I recall, it ran from underneath the Tabernacle on Temple Square over to the Church Administration Building. It was relatively wide, wall-to-wall carpeted, well-lit and could easily accomodate a golf cart (which was, in fact, used to transport GAs and other Church dignitaries and personnel back and forth).

During General Conference, I would sometimes accompany my grandfather Ezra Taft through the tunnel, pushing his wheelchair or walking along with family and staff who were with him. The walk through this tunnel took about 5 to 10 minutes at a leisurely pace. I would be in the tunnel with ETB when, in his later years and due to his frail health, he would exit the Conference sessions at the top-of-the-hour rest song, when the congregation would rise to their feet for a break from the sermonizing before dropping back on their faithful posteriors for the second half of indoctrination. I'd sit in the front congregational rows in the Tabernacle (reserved for GA families, as unfair as that was) until ETB got up and left, assisted by handlers who would escort him out. ETB would be helped off the dais, waving weakly, and members of the Benson family would likewise exit (without waving, by the way). We'd meet up with him in the back area, out of sight behind the out-front stage area where the GAs perched during Conference. There we'd join him and his assistants in wheeling him through the underground tunnel on his eventual way over to where he lived at the Eagle Gate condo that was across the street from Temple Square. If his assistants got ETB out ahead of us, we'd simply make our own way out of the Tabernacle and go over to his apartment. By then, ETB's staff had wheel-chaired him into his small, private study, where they would place him in a soft, leather reclining chair. They would then either turn on the TV for the second half of Conference or merely play soft music for him to listen to.

There is actually nothing dark or secret about that beneath-the-street tunnel--and I saw nothing branching off from it that appeared to go to Zionic bomb shelters, restricted-access laundry rooms, or a mini-city honeycomb of subterranean dwelling places for the Mormon elite in the event of an attack by Satan on God's Chosen Ones.

Geezus, it's essentially an underground trafficway constructed for the convenience of and use by the Mormon high command, their families, their support Church staff and connected Church employees that provides an efficient, quick and out-of-sight way of getting from point A to point B--one that is accessed through the Tabernacle on one end and an underground parking garage (complete with reserved parking spots for the GAs) on the other.

No Indiana Jones mummies, skulls, snakes or kidnap victims.
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For all the sci-fi-pie-in-the-sky Illuminati types, sorry for the inconvenient illumination (although I imagine it could be kinda freaky if you turned the lights off).

Good luck finding the trail back to the main road, "lost pioneer."

In the meantime, don't step into any open Salt Lake City manholes. Those child-eating Restored Church Reptilians might get you.



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The church does seem to have an obsession with tunnels. Then again, so does Walt Disney, and a number of other institutions that specialize in having a public "face" built over or around a campus where a multi-billion dollar corporation works. Got to be able to move the big wigs around, without coming into contact with the dirty masses you know.

As far as the Pink Rooms, and other such rumors, they are right up there with the stories of Walt Disney's frozen corps cycle being stored in a secret room beneath Cinderella's Castle. They're just crap people make up to fill in the blanks of what they don't know. Give someone a blank to fill, and they will fill it with the most interesting tidbit their imagination can create.

Come to think of it, I like my analogy comparing Disney World to Temple Square. For Mormons, Temple Square is their Disney World, and both are about as equally real.

Church needs to put in some rides though. I could see a big roller coastal called, "The Apologist" because it ducks and dives all over the place, and brings you back to where you started.

Mormonland theme song:

"It's a small world... and getting smaller every day."

There are no secret rooms under Sleeping Beauty's Castle @ Disneyland (it's not Cinderella's castle, btw), no frozen Walt Disney anywhere, and no secret special tunnels in Disneyland, either.

What they do have is the Disney family apartment over the Fire Station on Main Street, kept just as it was when Walt, Lilly, and their daughters (and son-in-law) stayed there. When Walt was in the park, a special lamp was lit and placed in the apartment window so that employees would know he was around. After he died, the family decided to keep the lamp always lit to remind everyone of his presence (during the holidays, it's replaced by a Christmas tree).

The Morg doesn't have anything nearly that cool.

Actually, Disney has a whole network of tunnels, and I know from a friend who worked security there that they even have secret vault rooms. However, they don't keep frozen bodies in those secret vault rooms, just cold hard cash.

The tunnels are part of the magic, so they can run all dreary day to day operational stuff out of sight of the tourist above. Don't want to break the magic you know.

I didn't mean access and maintenance tunnels used by cast members, security, and maintenance personnel -- sorry for not clarifying that.

I meant, you know, "secret" tunnels that even the park employees aren't supposed to know about.

If you want to see tunnels under an urban area, go to Houston. Now there is a whole other city down Elwood. Restaurants, some small businesses, etc. all out of the heat and rain

The MTC has some cool tunnels that we snuck into twice. They went under the dorms and wrapped all around, under the gym and main auditorium (we could hear the choir singing). Circa mid-90s. Several parts were completely lit the size where golfcarts could go through and others were small passage ways. My favorite Elder friend of mine & I explored a ton of it. The 2nd time we went with a bunch of other Elders, they had added additional security.

There were two main ways in. First the elevator trick was to push the bottom button to get into the basement, of course nobody had a key so when we hit it we all pulled the doors apart and the doors miraculously opened up to a massive well lit area. To see anything cool we lifted an elder up and and almost over a wall where he reached over, unlocked and opened the door to all of the corridors.
The 2nd time we tried to sneak in they added fencing via the second section that we used to reach over, which blocked our reach over strategy to unlock the door from the other side. We took a few pictures which I enjoy.

The ones I walked through were relatively well-lit, spacious and looked like they were primarily used for cable-running, drainage, service-access and building-entry from below. We traversed them under the overhead, then-grassy main "quad," as it was called, and eventually popped our heads up to the surface through a surface-level grate.



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We were cleaning in one of the tall buildings in the MTC, when one of us in our group discovered an entrance to these same tunnels. We walked through them for a while and explored, but then I convinced some of them to go back with me so we didn't get in trouble. I remember there were some hallways and some empty rooms. I think they led to BYU but I didn't keep going to look.

I was sent to a "honor code" officer by BYU PD after trying to access said BYU tunnels. Rumors of the local Provo, UT ninja practicing their craft in the tunnels caused our mushy freshman brains to spin, thinking of the pizza in a Cougar Eat cooler. With flash lights in hand and a rope loop, we were elevating the underground latch (sidewalk between Helaman Halls and Cafe) chained to an access grate when Dudley Dooright busted the bunch.

BTW Having Lt. Colonel Bo Griggs and Jack Anderson of I think the Washington Post give a noon BYU devotional, "Guns, Drugs, POWs" didn't help quiet my Mordor fueled conspiracy mind.

We looked and looked for those tennis raquets and could never identify one.

There are some sweet tunnels under St. George.

Surely there is a branch off to the slc temple

Yeah, but reality is nothing compared to that David Icke reptilian conspiracy crap. His spew on mormons starts about 1/2 way through:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/matrix/matrix16.htm

So Steve, really, you never saw the tunnels that lead down to the underground reptilian base? Where they feed the babies to the reptilian gods? I'm shocked. Shocked I say.

On a serious note, why isn't David Icke in a padded room with a hug-myself-forever jacket on?

Because they let crazy people sign themselves out of asylums now.

He would say that he has not been put into a rubber room because the PTBs don't want to give him more fuel. If they were to do that it would only be because he was too close to the truth for their comfort.

Shortly after I joined the Church in the 80's, several members from my Ward in another State travelled to SLC for GC. While we were there, we took a tour of Temple Square, and a guided tour through the underground tunnels.

While we were going through the main tunnel (and it was as S. Benson described), a door opened off to the right which was behind me, and a man walked out zipping up his pants - unaware that there was a group of people touring the tunnel at the time.

The room he walked out of was PINK. I could see the color of it above the opened door. I assumed it was a bathroom, but I thought it odd that a men's bathroom would be painted pink. I thought no more about it until later.

Just past that door, IIRC - there was a small, ancient-looking wooden door with a half-moon arch at the top, and with an odd door handle. It was taped off in an "X" with yellow warning tape. I asked the tour guide what it led to, and she didn't know. Her lack of curiousity is something I've learned is characteristic of many Mormons.

I read a book several years ago called "Men in Derision" which is where the story of the "Pink Room" was first printed. It's about the practice of Satanism by some of the 12/15.

Just sayin' ....

I went through the tunnel several times over the years and saw no "guided tours" being given. The tunnel was used by GAs and their families for quick transit, either by foot or wheeled cart, as well as by other employees of the Mormon Church, and was not a tourist attraction through which guides were shepherding out-of-state ward groups.

Speaking of which, what was your state, what was your ward, and why aren't you saying?

Finally, this alleged "Pink Room" that you claim you saw was, you say, located off the main tunnel? But the story is that it was actually in the temple itself and was supposedly built during the presidency of Wilford Woodruff.

Why can't you get your story straight? Answer: Because you've made it up.



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I thought the Pink Room was inside the secret moon base where Mormon prophets secretly travel to on UFOs piloted by Quakers, in order to meet with Bigfoot.

No silly it's on Kolob.

See, this is the part that I can't understand about conspiracy theories and other wide-eyed tales. I can understand being duped into believing them, but then realizing you were wrong when they are debunked. That shows good character. But what is up with the people who knowingly make up additional stories? What do they get by doing that? Why is it so important to believe this ridiculous "pink room" story? I don't get it.

It's the same mindset as trolls. They get a "thrill" out it.

Maybe but my father does this too. He sends me emails about government conspiracies that are obviously false with a little thought. I will help him along, but Dad fights me the whole way. Sometimes he will actually make up stories to support them. Then I will debunk his story, and that creates an awkward situation. Why lie to promote something I just debunked? It's very disappointing.

There's actually a line of men's clothing called "Derision," which features a pullover hoody for $79.00.

Ta-dah. :)

http://www.amazon.com/LRG-Derision-Pullover-Authentic-Sweatshirt/dp/B00A3363B4



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Maybe we could get the "pink room" added to this list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories

Geez, pink men's rooms. Hate to say this but I remember them. I asked an architect once why the hell they did that and it was to keep men from spending more time in there than they needed. Some study showed that certain color combinations lead to such reactions.

Back in the '70's our Sunday School class got an extra special tour of Temple Square (I was maybe 4th or 5th grade so I don't remember it too well. There were about 30-50 of us kids that carpooled from the stake center. We were divided up in smaller groups.) Howard Hunter lived in our ward - maybe that was our "in". It was a Sunday and it was better than going to Sunday School. I remember not paying too much attention. We walked the tunnel, but I do remember our group being held in a basement at one end to allow a golf cart to traverse the tunnel. It only had a driver. I remember hoping the golf cart was for us because I was bored and tired by this point. I think I remember lots of utilities run everywhere in the basement, loads of pipes, ducts and air handlers? It was dark and we walked in from the bright sunlight so I was sorta blind. When we crossed back to temple square on the surface, someone tried to point in the street where the tunnel had been; but the tour had enough twists that I was disoriented.

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http://www.utahstories.com/2010/08/26/what-lies-beneath/

There were tunnels from jail to courthouse over by the city/County building. The Zions clock tunnel was interesting as well. There's also a link to a story about the East High School "tunnels". (When the school burned some basement hallways and stairs were abandoned but kids figured out how to explore them.)

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The first thing I think of deals with women.