From the Orlando Sentinel:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/os-ed-eugene-robinson-032915-20150328-column.html

"Murder-suicide" is something that happens. It generally consists of murder and suicide. I think that that that that plane thingie fits. But the media wants to say "Eek!! Terroristers!!" to boost ratings.

cupcakelicker (sober) Wrote:
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> "Murder-suicide" is something that happens. It
> generally consists of murder and suicide. I think
> that that that that plane thingie fits. But the
> media wants to say "Eek!! Terroristers!!" to boost
> ratings.

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On this magnitude, it isn't simply murder suicide.

Terrorism is still murder. He didn't need to have jihadist leanings for it to be terror. It would be terror all by itself. It was deliberate, cold blooded murder en masse.

The guys who blew up the Pentagon and WTC were murderers. And also terrorists. They are not mutually exclusive.

It's exactly what the media is NOT doing, is calling it terrorism. There is a hidden agenda behind that. They don't want to publicize it because at this time its still highly classified, and they don't want to incite fear or panic, or instigate copycat wannabes.



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Was his intent to instill fear in anyone? Based on the facts that have come to light so far, he wanted to be remembered, to go out with a bang.

The Muslim conversion story came from a an anti-Muslim right wing extremist, Michael Mannheimer. His logic: the copilot did his pilot training in Bremen. There's a mosque in Bremen with possible IS ties. The copilot once took time off work. Conclusion: Muslim terrorist.

That's all. Yes, a few German media outlets as well as Fox News did report that he was a Muslim (Megyn Kelly announced it), but that doesn't make it true. Maybe he was secretly a Muslim, but just because someone wants to believe something doesn't make it true.

If Fox thinks he was a Muslim terrorist, that is all the more reason to be skeptical.

Several news reports stated that his mother is the organist in the town's Protestant (Lutheran) church. Doesn't make being Muslim impossible, but not very likely.

I also read he was in Mossad,the Israeli equivelent of the CIA. So he was a Lutheran, a Jewish intelligent agent,and an Islamic jihadist all at the same time.Maybe we shouldnt believe everything we read.

bona.dea.unregistered Wrote:
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> I also read he was in Mossad,the Israeli
> equivelent of the CIA. So he was a Lutheran, a
> Jewish intelligent agent,and an Islamic jihadist
> all at the same time.Maybe we shouldnt believe
> everything we read.

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This would be propaganda from Israel's enemies. 911 was blamed on Israel also by propagandists. Most of that generates from paid propagandists coming out of Iran, to incite more anti-Semitism. Blaming things on the Jews is nothing new. It's been happening for as long as they've been on the planet.

Hitler used propaganda to his advantage leading up to WWII.

It's just part of a campaign of hateful lies used to blame Israel. The new anti-Semitism isn't targeting individual Jews. It's targeting the country of Israel. To delegitimize Israel is done to dehumanize the Jew.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/30/2015 07:37AM by amyjo.

He committed suicide to accomplish those goals.

THANKS amyjo

I posted this earlier
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1548191

Lot of folks disagree but I think this was completely a terrorist act, 100%.

If the German reports are correct and the pilot converted to an extremist Islamic group then it may have been a terrorist act.

Maybe, but to know for sure, one would have to know the state of mind of the person at the time.

As far as I have read, there was no jihadist sort of statements. It seems to me that if it was a terrorist attack, would have done something to add to the terror, like aim for a town, threaten the passengers, etc.. A terrorist attack is usually using terror to try to make some sort of political statement. If this was a terror attack, it was not very good with the political statement part of terrorist attack.

Political terrorists usually do what they do to make a point and that requires some sort of statement. This guy didnt issue one and no organization issued a statement on his behalf. If he was a terrorist, he wasnt very good because no one has a clue why he did it or for what cause.

bona dea unregisteed Wrote:
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> Political terrorists usually do what they do to
> make a point and that requires some sort of
> statement. This guy didnt issue one and no
> organization issued a statement on his behalf. If
> he was a terrorist, he wasnt very good because no
> one has a clue why he did it or for what cause.

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Suicide bombers leave no notes. And they are still terrorists.

He is being hailed as a hero on Islamist sites.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/77796/andreas-lubitz-germanwings-co-pilot-hailed-by-facebook-grp-as-hero-of-islamic-state/

The Invisible Green Potato Wrote:
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> If the German reports are correct and the pilot
> converted to an extremist Islamic group then it
> may have been a terrorist act.

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It does seem to be leaning in that direction!

verilyverily Wrote:
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> THANKS amyjo
>
> I posted this earlier
> http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1548191
>
> Lot of folks disagree but I think this was
> completely a terrorist act, 100%.

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Amen. Me thinks so too. It has all the earmarkings of such. At first I was going along with all the American news reports of it just being a suicidal/homicidal madman. Until someone on another blog site I frequent came along with the German breaking news stories. Of course my first reaction was terrorism if not for the press playing it down completely. Our press has been virtually silent on the subject of his religion or whether it was a terrorist act.

Doesn't mean it wasn't. Governments keep things well from view when doing internal investigations. And this is one of those times because of the sensitive nature of the subject matter.

The fact it's all over the German news media only confirms my worst fears; that it was an act of sabotage by a jihadist. The converts to Islam are the ones that go undetected, which was why he was not on any list of known terrorists or sympathizers.

He's spent lots of time in the company of fanatical Islamists at the mosque in Bremen. His girlfriend was Muslim. He had a secret life!

It's so bizarre and twisted, if not for the people he took out with him. That's what a terrorist wants, to kill the most with the least amount of effort. And that's precisely what he did.

Suicide and murder are not mutually exclusive terms.

Also, mass murder does not mean it was an act of terrorism.



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We can only jump to conclusions, as the author of the article did.

Was the pilot on any medication, prescribed or otherwise, that may have caused a reaction, up to and including incapacitation?

Did he become delusional?

There are others, but proponents of "It was terrorism!" may not have thought out the ramifications:

1) An airline carrier may try to become one of the victims of the terrorist, thereby mitigating responibility for the quantity and quality of its crew; and,

2) Insurance policies often do not cover terrorism or acts of war, unless specifically purchased. Air carriers would buy them, many private citizens cannot, or do not even notice the omission.

Wouldn't it be the ugliest thing if the carrier avoided responsibility, is covered by insurance, and many passengers' families are not?

I'm neither a lawyer nor an insurance broker, but been around long enough to see these things happen.

My heart is with the families.

For once I agree with MJ. It is possible this could turn out to be terrorism ,but right now the evidence says he was disturbed and the evidence that he was a Muslim is not that convincing. Even if he was,that doesnt mean Islam was the cause of his actions. Murder/suicide happens all the time although on a smaller scale. A suicidal person is not thinking clearly and often cant see beyond the moment.Who knows what he was thinking

It's straight up murder with intent. The m'fer gave out enough clues that he was planning something big. His ex girlfriend said she dropped him because she was scared of him. GD crime nobody, including his ex GF didn't tell his employer or SOMEBODY! Lufthansa could be exposed to unlimited liability over this. Plus, regulations could require all airliners to have bathrooms on the flight deck. $$$$$'s.

RB



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What I want to know is why was the pilot leaving the cockpit to use the bathroom/stretch his legs on such a relatively short flight? When I am teaching, I am expected to work for as long as three hours without a bathroom break (teachers learn very quickly to go when they are able.) I seriously don't get why he needed to leave the cockpit. I could understand it on a longer flight.

summer Wrote:
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> What I want to know is why was the pilot leaving
> the cockpit to use the bathroom/stretch his legs
> on such a relatively short flight? When I am
> teaching, I am expected to work for as long as
> three hours without a bathroom break (teachers
> learn very quickly to go when they are able.) I
> seriously don't get why he needed to leave the
> cockpit. I could understand it on a longer flight.

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The plane at cruising altitude would've been on auto-pilot. The pilots job during that time, even in a short flight would be to watch and on alert for any incongruity. Pilots don't expect to get locked out of the cabin by their co-pilots. Going to the bathroom during a flight is almost as routine as flying the plane, for these guys. Having displaced trust in the suicidal/homicidal co-pilot was something no one could've foreseen - as he was behaving normally. They had all procedures in place to protect against terrorism, but for sabotage from within!

I think it was the Illuminati. Way more proof for that than for Muslim terrorism. The media don't mention it, which is even more proof that it's true.

When an official statement like this comes days into the investigation, it has to be bogus. That's not enough time to rule out design flaws or equipment failure, either of which would be insanely costly to the industry.

The other possibilities only get worse. The plane could have been remotely flown into the ground. To the kind of people who order and carry out assassinations, collateral damage means nothing.



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"According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed converted to Islam during a recent 6 month leave from Germanwings:

From Speisa.com, Translation from German via Google Translate:

All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of “radical”, ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he – as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York – received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.

Find it interesting that all the major news outlets don't even bring up the subject of what his religion was, whether he was a recent convert to Islam or not, or jihad.

If not for the offbeat German news from Speisl, and Michael Mannheimer reporter, not one main news agency has even brought the subject up.

I find this very strange, or a new approach to countering terrorism in mass media.

The less it's played up, is it just burying the proverbial Ostrich head in the sand maneuver?

I looked up the source (in German, not with Google Translate), which is a personal blog, not a news outlet of any kind.

The article in question seems to be removed but Mr. Mannheimer appears to be a self-proclaimed "Islam critic". He thinks "the left" hates Germany and use Muslim and Eastern-European immigrants to destroy Europe. He has 125 blog posts about this.

There are also 324 posts about the various other threats to Germany, like left-wing extremists (basically all non-neo-nazi politicians, as far as I can tell), climate scientists, alternative energy companies, the media, unions, etc.

There are several other blog post categories, which all boil down to Muslims, East-Europeans and "leftists" destroying Germany and Europe. As is common among these types of "thinkers", Jews are great and Muslims and Socialists are all anti-Semites.

Basically, replace Jews with Muslims, Gypsies with East-Europeans and Communists with "the left" and the whole thing reads like Mein Kampf.



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