| Subject: | Stick to the manual and stop thinking |
| Date: | Jan 10, 2010 |
| Author: | Pele Ale |
| Thought many of you would be interested in this
article in church news about the proper way to teach a lesson and avoid
thinking for yourself. http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/58411/Use-proper-sources.html Excerpts: "A woman sat at her dining room table, buried in dozens of books and magazines. She looked discouraged. Her daughter asked if she could help... "Why," she asked, "are you trying to boil down information? An inspired Church-writing committee has already done that for you." The committee's work, the daughter continued, has been approved by the Quorum of the Twelve and the First Presidency. It has been translated into dozens of languages and sent around the world. It corresponds with the lessons and information taught at the same time to other auxiliaries and quorums in the Church.... "Everything you need — and more — is in your manual," the daughter said... But we may be tempted to do more, to turn to unofficial lesson plans, resources and information found in books and on the Internet... Correlation is an inspired effort overseen by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve to simplify the programs of the Church and unify Latter-day Saints in faith and doctrine... Elder Dallin H. Oaks said in his October 1999 general conference address
that as he traveled the Church he had been pleased and impressed with how
Relief Society and priesthood lessons were presented and received. |
| Subject: | In his novel "1984" Orwell called it the "Ministry of Truth." In the LDS Church... |
| Date: | Jan 10 23:52 |
| Author: | Gorspel Dacktrin |
| it's called the "Correlation." The result is the same.
Reality is rewritten from year to year. Your job is to accept that reality
as it is downloaded into your head and forget about anything different that
you thought you "knew" before. Through the magic of "correlation," new members of the Church will have no idea that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff, etc., ever had more than one wife at the same time. As long as they avoid turning to "unofficial--not correlated--materials" they will be united in spirit and mind with other equally ignorant Latter-day Saints in clueless faith and doctored doctrine. It's all so inspired and inspiring. |
| Subject: | Re: Stick to the manual and stop thinking |
| Date: | Jan 10 22:06 |
| Author: | bona dea |
| Maybe they should just read the lesson out loud. That way they wouldn't interject anything unapproved by accident. |
| Subject: | Re: Stick to the manual and stop thinking |
| Date: | Jan 10 22:14 |
| Author: | Glo |
| Why don't they just get a monkey to stand up there and
mouth the words while they pipe in the lies,er I mean indoctrination, er I
mean gospel through loudspeakers. Remember the old days when you were actually supposed pray for inspiration????? |
| Subject: | Re: Stick to the manual and stop thinking |
| Date: | Jan 10 22:20 |
| Author: | bona dea |
| They could get a GA [general authority] to do the lesson, tape it and show it world wide. Please, don't do anything that might be interesting or keep people awake. Years ago, my mom taught Mutual as we called it then. She worked hard on her lessons and my friends thought she was great. Geez! We can have any of that going on. |
| Subject: | Why even go to class if they are not allowed to teach? |
| Date: | Jan 10 22:25 |
| Author: | confused |
| That was one thing that really bothered me- I was in the Bishopric, which meant that I always missed class for both GD [gospel doctrine] and PH [priesthood] because it was always come help with this, or visit that, interview her and PPI [personal priesthood interview] him. Once I was finally released, I was thrilled to get to class for I was literally starving for the good word. Well, what a disappointment! The classes were so watered down, I could barely learn anything I did not know, and the GD teacher at the beginning of the new year openly admitted that she had been given directions to follow a prescribed regimen of material. She was a very good teacher, and it was far below her abilities, but those were the rules. At that time we were also well into the way watered down Teachings of the Prez dudes for PH, and it was not long before I grew extremely bored and found that I was mainly going out of duty. Such a disappointment to finally get to go to class and end up learning less than when I was too busy doing other stuff. |
| Subject: | Good way to express it |
| Date: | Jan 11 00:09 |
| Author: | Nightingale |
| I enjoyed the way you expressed your experience,
confused. confused wrote: >Once I was finally released, I was thrilled to get to class for I was literally starving for the good word. I felt like this _all_the_time_ in Mormonism, and guilty with it. Guilty to have feelings contrary to what you "should" have. Like, not wanting to be in my primary calling because I actually wanted to go to class and learn more about Mormonism. (Little did I know at the time that uh, going to class wouldn't achieve that goal). >Such a disappointment to finally get to go to class and end up learning less than when I was too busy doing other stuff. LOL. It's so different from other churches I've attended where there is a wide array of classes on different subjects (some about life issues in general and not even necessarily all only on religious topics) and adults actually got to choose which classes to attend. (No bishop in the hallway scooting adults into various assigned rooms). I do not miss the Mormon Church environment. (Understatement). |
| Subject: | How nice of them to boil it all down for the teacher so all they have to do is read the manual. Oh |
| Date: | Jan 10 22:29 |
| Author: | SusieQ#1 |
| well, members don't have time to do any research these days anyhow! :-) |
| Subject: | When our leaders speak, the thinking has already been done. |
| Date: | Jan 10 23:33 |
| Author: | Boydslittlefactory |
| Or, in other words, don't worry your pretty little heads. The GAs and the benevolent sky daddy will take care of everything. |
| Subject: | THANK YOU GOD! (few swear words) Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you..... |
| Date: | Jan 10 22:44 |
| Author: | NormaRae |
| Thank you for getting me out of that GDF'n horrible,
horrible, horrible, horrible mind F'n CULT! >"Why," she asked, "are you trying to boil down information? An inspired Church-writing committee has already done that for you." Arrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggh! "Why, she asked, do you need a brain of your own? You're a Mormon with a testimonkey, you don't need a brain. Brains are for thinking. Why would a good Mormon woman like you do something so Satan-inspired as that? An inspired committee of penishood holders has already done your thinking for you." >"Correlation is an inspired effort overseen by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve to simplify the programs of the Church and unify Latter-day Saints in faith and doctrine." "Correlation is an insired effort overseen by the Premire and the Politburo to simplify the programs of the cult and unify brain-dead human-like cult members in Marxist ideology and submission. Oh, I am feeling very lucky and very grateful. Thanks for the link. |
| Subject: | Ditto! I want to blow a gasket and am thanking my lucky stars! n/t |
| Subject: | Re: THANK YOU GOD! (few swear words) Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you..... |
| Date: | Jan 11 07:05 |
| Author: | pies |
| Frighteningly true. Makes you wonder if all that
material presented by Zechariah Sitchin in re: Anunaki isn't unquestionably true. Were we simply engineered on Kolob then sprinkle-seeded on this planet in order to slave,mine and serve the designers by doing as told. Reproduce the Template, mine the essential metal--- Gold---and don't buck the *sigh* PLAN. Ewww. Far-out, ridiculous, fantasy,fiction? |
| Subject: | Spoke to my parents about this tonight |
| Date: | Jan 10 23:39 |
| Author: | Emma'sFlamingSword |
| This topic came up tonight about only using scriptures and the manual for lessons. I tried to gently point out that they don’t want you searching around and stumbling into something controversial. My parents replied that it was because the prophet wants you to stick to the basics because there are answers for the basics. We don’t have all the answers for the “deeper” doctrines so there is no point going there and speculating. I didn’t have an immediate reply for this without seeming confrontational so I let it go. Why cant they see through this? |
| Subject: | Who defines what the "basics" are? Sticking to the basics is just a euphemism that means... |
| Date: | Jan 10 23:58 |
| Author: | Gorspel Dacktrin |
| dumb it down. The sheep only need to know what their
duty is, which is to pay, pray and obey. For all of you teachers who want to stimulate thinking and give food for thought, the First Presidency has a very important message for you: "Keep it stupid, stupid! Your job is to be stupid and our job is to rule over and take advantage of stupid people. It's a formula that's been tested and perfected over thousands of years. Who are you to question it, stupid?" |
| Subject: | They summed it up nicely, didn't they? No answers for the deep(weird) stuff...n/t |
| Subject: | From my undergrad days ... |
| Date: | Jan 10 23:49 |
| Author: | mp |
| A woman I knew and liked was teaching an RS lesson on
classic literature. Being an English major at that very time, I looked
forward to it. What I didn't count on was, during the lesson, she read
straight from the manual that all non-Church literature should be read
carefully, else we might be led astray. Yet another brick in the wall that eventually separated me from TSCC. |
| Subject: | What a bunch of |
| Date: | Jan 10 23:50 |
| Author: | cl2 |
| bullsh*t. I taught R.S. [relief society] for 4 years before I went
inactive. It was probably around the early 1990s. I only used Ensigns to
"enhance" the 3-1/2 (half) pages of material they gave me that I was
supposed to make last at least 30 minutes. I also included women in the R.S.
in the lesson. I had more compliments on my lessons by the R.S. ladies and the presidency would always say, "That was a good lesson, BUT we are only supposed to use the manual so please limit your lessons to the manual." It sounds like they have made the lessons even shorter than they used to be. They really do make it feel like they just want you to get up and read it right out of the book. There is NO MEAT in those lessons. There isn't even MILK. I'm SO GLAD I'M OUT, TOO. |
| Subject: | As I was reading in the link, I was hearing it spoken |
| Date: | Jan 10 23:57 |
| Author: | imaworkinonit |
| in a sing-song syrupy, yet sickly dangerous voice. It
reminded me of a movie I had seen recently and I couldn't remember which
one, but I clearly heard the voice in my head . . . . It about drove me crazy until I finally placed it! It was Doloros Umbridge from Harry Potter V. The sugary sweet lady who wears pink, loves kittens, and to make LOTS of rules and enforce them. Just like Professor Umbridge, and the "ministry", the LDS church has decided that the church needs to get back to the basics. No need for mysteries, or speculation, or even research and thought. Just stick to the book. I thought it was funny how they told the story of the mother struggling to condense materials to teach the lesson and how she was so relieved when the daughter told her all she needed was the manual. Yeah. Sure. That's the most any teacher would ever want . . . . not to have to THINK or discover any new material, or put any original thought into a lesson. I'm a teacher myself, so this drives me crazy. I can't even teach my OWN material twice without trying to improve it, and I've been teaching for a very long time. And when I've taught someone else's outline, I CHANGE it if I don't like it. How completely insulting to the readers' intelligence. Do they really expect anyone to believe that this scenario was EVER played out? And that someone was there writing down their dialogue? It smacks of a Paul Dunn story. Secondly, don't people get a little bothered that they are so adamant that they don't WANT anything else taught? Why don't they just make DVDs of the lessons and they can play them in class if they want that much control. |
| Subject: | You touched on something I had forgotten to mention |
| Date: | Jan 11 00:02 |
| Author: | cl2 |
| I was NEVER overwhelmed with too much material--I was
usually desperately searching for something else to add to the little bit of
drivel they had given to me. I taught FOUR--COUNT THEM FOUR--lessons on sexual education and teaching our children about predators IN ONE YEAR. I had this itty bitty bit of information to work with. I was always desperately searching for enough material to cover all the time I needed to cover. |
| Subject: | Re: As I was reading in the link, I was hearing it spoken |
| Date: | Jan 11 02:57 |
| Author: | Lovechild |
| Mail Address: |
| imaworkinonit wrote: > How completely insulting to the readers' intelligence. Do they really expect anyone to believe that this scenario was EVER played out? And that someone was there writing down their dialogue? It smacks of a Paul Dunn story. They don't really care if anyone believes that bullshit story. No TBM will dare to challenge it and therefore the "teaching" will be done the "correlation" way. And that is all the GAs really care about. |
| Subject: | DVDs? Good idea! As long as the Church doesn't pay for them... |
| Date: | Jan 11 03:17 |
| Author: | B. Packer |
| If we can get the members of each ward to purchase the DVDs and DVD players from a Church distributorship without the purchase price being set off against tithing, this will be the next big thing! We can replace the teacher callings with DVD player operator callings. |
| Subject: | Boredom Personified. |
| Date: | Jan 11 00:00 |
| Author: | Nightingale |
| I felt so guilty to be bored at church. I imagine it's
quadruply boring by now. I don't bore easily but by about the 6th time
through the same 6 lessons (in GE class) I was ready to learn
Greek-salad-making all over again in RS for some excitement! Why don't they distribute the manuals to the members and let the people go home to read it themselves at their own convenience (or not). That would save an hour - or two - on a Sunday, as well as avoiding all that traffic and congestion and heat and light expense and bishop's time and teacher prep and massive boredom-unto-catatonia. The only time I thought of the "c" word during my Mormon interlude was when I witnessed a zone meeting and all the missionaries had to stand up, sit down, sing choruses, chant phrases and give canned testimonies. My brain told me, "This is a cult". Me didn't listen. But then it clicked in, eventually. If I was there and this clamp-down was happening, please god I would recognize it for the attempt it is to stop people thinking. This can only be a good thing. At some point being bored beyond human endurance could be understandable grounds for bolting, no? |
| Subject: | What's next? Giving pre written talks and prayers? nt |
| Subject: | Heckuva good idea! No inadvertent slippage of thought or expression. Time-saver. Correlated. n/t :/ |
| Subject: | When my disfellowshipped status was lifted, the bishop told me what I was supposed to say in prayers |
| Date: | Jan 11 00:21 |
| Author: | Moniker |
| He also told me what kind of comments I was supposed
to make in Sunday school. He even told me what kind of things I was supposed
to say to God in my personal prayers. I had been disfellowshipped for a
varity of reasons, but I was told apostacy was what caused the formal
discipline, so they wanted to keep me muzzled. When I came to this man who called himself my bishop with questions and told him I had prayed about these questions I had about church history and things that just didn't add up, he told me to stop praying about those things. That was his answer. He then guided me through what I was supposed to say to his god, word for word. He even printed a hand-out for me, with phrases I was supposed to use. WTF? What in the hell is the point in prayer? Now that I no longer believe in a god, I think it's all equally pointless, but at least it's nice when you are the one choosing what to say to your god. At that point, I didn't care anyway and was just jumping through a YBU? hoop. |
| Subject: | Re: When my disfellowshipped status was lifted, the bishop told me what I was supposed to say in prayers |
| Date: | Jan 11 04:29 |
| Author: | Reinventing Grace |
| > He even printed a hand-out for me, with phrases
I was
> supposed to use. WTF? I hope you saved the handout! RG |
| Subject: | yes, let's stick to the manual or we may find that |
| Date: | Jan 11 01:03 |
| Author: | gone AWOL for good |
| there are past teachings we don't teach anymore beliefs we dont believe anymore history that has been changed prophesies that have become ' a man's thoughts ' and confusion will ensue, and people may find the truth and leave. It was soooo boring to sit in rs and pretty much have a round robin reading session, interspersed with a testimony or a comment or the following statement:' xxxx on pg. yy says it so much better than i can' (my personal clue that it was going tobe a verrry lonnng and borrring 50 min. |
| Subject: | Re: yes, let's stick to the manual or we may find that |
| Date: | Jan 11 01:21 |
| Author: | gone AWOL for good |
| hmm, i wonder if the church is slowly doing the same
thing the reorganized church did- turn themselves into just a mainstream
religion- with the added cult behavior. If the past profits are watered down to be monogamous and the BOA and BOM are slowly edged out of the correlated curriculum, then they will keep just temples, priesthood power, missionary work. Gone is potential godhood, polygamy in heaven or anywhere else. The things that make mormons different are now: real estate (temples) power to the GA's and lots of money for the GA's. Stuff that's easy to hide the truth about. |
| Subject: | This did give us a quote worth keeping..... |
| Date: | Jan 11 01:31 |
| Author: | Exmormon Robertson |
| When we point out something published by the church as
evidence a lot of members will say "It's not in our scripture." Now we can
come back with: "Today, the correlation process helps ensure that materials published in the name of the Church — carrying the Church logo — are scripture-based, doctrinally accurate and appropriate for the intended audience. All Church publications are planned, prepared, reviewed and implemented under the direction of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve." (Church News, Use proper sources, Jan. 9, 2010) That's a keeper. Dana |
| Subject: | You can't have it both ways. |
| Date: | Jan 11 05:04 |
| Author: | Lost |
| This is just lovely. Trust correlation as an inspired process. No need to think, investigate or evaluate. What gets me is that the correlation is being performed largely by volunteer individuals who are mostly untrained and unskilled for the work they are doing. So trust them absolutely and without question. They are incapable of making mistakes. Just like the brethren who guide them. |
| Subject: | Christian Science |
| Date: | Jan 11 06:39 |
| Author: | Ex aedibus |
| Towards the end of the nineteenth century, Mary Baker
Eddy, founder of Christian Science, decided to bring to an end the practice
of having preachers. In its place were lesson-sermons made up entirely of
readings from the Bible and her own Science and Health With Key to the
Scriptures. Rather than having competing personalities, Christian Science
congregations have two readers, one of whom reads from Science and Health
and the other of whom reads from the Bible. Each service includes the following statement: Friends: “The Bible and the Christian Science textbook are our only preachers. We shall now read Scriptural texts, and their correlative passages from our denominational textbook: these comprise our sermon. The canonical writings, together with the word of our textbook, corroborating and explaining the Bible texts in their spiritual import and application to all ages, past, present and future, constitute a sermon undivorced from truth, uncontaminated and unfettered by human hypotheses, and divinely authorized.” I'm waiting to see the LDS church move in this direction for talks. |
| Subject: | Re: Christian Science |
| Date: | Jan 12 04:06 |
| Author: | Reinventing Grace |
| Exmo Robertson nailed it -- > ...materials published in the name of the Church — carrying > the Church logo — are scripture-based, doctrinally accurate > and appropriate for the intended audience. All Church publications > are planned, prepared, reviewed and implemented under the direction of > the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve." Wow, that's as definitive of a statement as I've seen in a Long Long Time. The church headquarters hasn't put out anything that definitive abou doctrine since the 1960s, has it??? RG |
| Subject: | Church News article: Don't teach from Internet sources |
| Date: | Jan 11 13:12 |
| Author: | SpongeBob SquareGarments |
| From the latest Church News magazine, it appears that
the church doesn't want any of their teachers to use the Internet or any
other outside sources in an attempt to actually making the Sunday School
classes more interesting. Gee I wonder why - perhaps they may discover something true (but not useful) about their church. Get your barf bags ready: http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/58411/Use-proper-sources.html Use proper sources Published: Saturday, Jan. 9, 2010 "But leaders and teachers in the Church do themselves and the people they serve a disservice when they turn to unofficial — not correlated — materials in the planning of lessons and activities... Ensure simplicity of Church programs and materials... Following the advice of her daughter, the woman above turned off her computer, shut the dozens of books open on her dining room table and picked up her manual and scriptures. The frustration she had previously experienced disappeared. She knew the material was doctrinally accurate. She knew its source was valid. She knew it had been approved by the men called to lead the Lord's work on the earth today and that it was what they wanted her to teach... The Church — through its inspired correlation program — has given us official sources of information to help us prepare lessons and plan activities. Instead of turning to unofficial books and Web sites, let's use those sources." |
| Subject: | Many people have found this board while looking for info for lessons. nt |
| Subject: | That's exactly what I did while looking for help with a yw lesson. n/t |
| Subject: | Now I know why they did not want me...... |
| Date: | Jan 11 15:08 |
| Author: | Just Browsing |
| Quoting Spence W Kimball Elder Oaks said "a gospel
teacher "'has been given an authoritative position and a stamp of approval
is placed upon him, and those whom he teaches are justified in assuming
that, having been chosen and sustained in the proper order, he represents
the Church and the things which he teaches are approved by the Church." Now I know why they did not want me!!!!! JB |
| Subject: | So, the internet is a no-no, but what about your local library? |
| Date: | Jan 11 15:14 |
| Author: | Dogger Dog |
| That's where I checked out DMQ's books. And Fawn
Brodie's. And Grant Palmer's. If you ask me, the local library can be just as dangerous. |
| Subject: | Re: So, the internet is a no-no, but what about your local library? |
| Date: | Jan 11 22:40 |
| Author: | m |
| Of course- everyone knows the librarians advocate dirty books- Chaucer, Rabelais, Balzac . . . |
| Subject: | Re: So, the internet is a no-no, but what about your local library? |
| Date: | Jan 12 04:05 |
| Author: | Ex aedibus |
| My own library had a copy of both No Man Knows My
History and Mormon Enigma. And my own public library lead me out of
Mormonism. All hail public libraries! |
| Subject: | It's a little late for that kind of censorship, don'tcha think? n/t |
| Subject: | New Ad Campaign Idea: "TCOJCOLDS: You too will be assimilated." |
| Subject: | My thoughts too. This is evidence they've taken noticed how... |
| Date: | Jan 11 15:32 |
| Author: | ramanujam |
| members tend to leave after researching something on
the internet. This is about ten years too late. |
| Subject: | Don't think for yourself we have a committee to... |
| Date: | Jan 11 15:36 |
| Author: | persephene (not logged) |
| do your thinking for you. Oh, and your children know better than you. |
| Subject: | In the Dark Ages the church invented marionettes to do the same thing as Mor[m]on Correlation. |
| Date: | Jan 11 15:41 |
| Author: | flattopSF |
| The point was to educate illiterate people about the
stories and doctrines they wanted the populace to "get" without teaching
them how to read. That way the church controlled what they knew. That way
the church got to lord it over them and keep them down. Sounds like familiar ground doesn't it? But how is the church gonna keep 'em sitting down in front of the marionette theater... er, Mor[m]on chapel (heh! same thing) once they've learned how to read and discovered there's a bigger world out there via the internet? 8^D |
| Subject: | Most TBM's I know, have no time to read the Ensign, let alone.. |
| Date: | Jan 11 16:47 |
| Author: | Steven |
| the church news. Yep's to little too late. Hee hee. |
| Subject: | Well there you have it. It is a sin to teach anything other than out of the manual. |
| Date: | Jan 11 16:55 |
| Author: | heathjh |
| "But we may be tempted to do more, to turn to
unofficial lesson plans, resources and information found in books and on the
Internet." Wow, cult work at it's finest. |
| Subject: | Agreed! Never teach from Internet sources--especially LDS dot Org...n/t |
| Subject: | Luckily anytime I think... |
| Date: | Jan 11 17:00 |
| Author: | badseed |
| there might be a way to return to Church and be NOM
for my families sake I read something like this. What a load of crap!! And
what a cult tactic!! Anyone notice the BS reasons they state for this 'counsel.' Maintain purity of doctrine. ** Purity, my ass. When I think of purity I think of truth. For the Bros. the truth is just another casuslty of Joseph's Myth.** Emphasize the importance of the family and the home. **When has that ever been the case. This all about the Church.** Place all the work of the Church under priesthood direction. **Power struggle much. Would want people with knowledge to start decidng what they think on their own. Right?** Establish proper relationships among the organizations of the Church. **See previous** Achieve unity and order in the Church. **AKA Complete assimilation and conformity** Ensure simplicity of Church programs and materials. **You mean ensuring simplicity in your job of controlling the sheeple. ** And the faithful just continue to eat this crap up. |
| Subject: | Anyone with 1/2 a brain (like me) can see the article is performing sleight of hand tricks. |
| Date: | Jan 11 17:03 |
| Author: | Mark |
| A skillful magician knows how to get you to look away
from the hand that is manipulating the cards or concealing the coins. This
article employs the same tactics. Let's look at just two examples. First, take the following sentence from the article: "Correlation is an inspired effort overseen by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve to simplify the programs of the Church and unify Latter-day Saints in faith and doctrine." Then put your magic stone in your hat, pull your hat over your face, and you can clearly see what the magician was truly saying, translated thusly: "Mind control is an insidious effort overseen by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve to misrepresent the schemes of the Church and stupefy Latter-day Saints into not knowing what we teach regarding faith and doctrine." Secondly, what on earth do they mean by "Inspired correlation" anyway?!? If it is inspired, it doesn't need correlating! If God Himself, or The Spirit, speaks to an apostle, a bishop, an elder, and a visiting teacher, would God, being God and all, contradict Himself? If the "inspiration" needs correlating (read: let's get our stories straight, here), then just maybe it wasn't inspired! "Inspired correlation" is an oxymoron that makes "jumbo shrimp" seem possible. |
| Subject: | Nice point |
| Date: | Jan 11 21:21 |
| Author: | Emma'sFlamingSword |
| Why do they need correlation in the first place? The Spirit should be speaking universal truths to everyone especially the leaders. |
| Subject: | Re: Church News article: Don't teach from Internet sources |
| Date: | Jan 11 17:06 |
| Author: | bona dea |
| Well, the lessons are now a page or so and the class is around an hour. If you can't use outside sources, what are you supposed to do to fill the time?I guess you could talk really slow, repeatyourself a lot or just bear a canned testimony.I taught for 3o years in public schools and I couldn't do it without outside sources. |
| Subject: | Who's the author, officially? Interesting quote nullifies any teaching... |
| Date: | Jan 11 17:10 |
| Author: | Jesus Smith |
| >Gospel teachers should also be scrupulous to
avoid hobby topics, personal speculations, and controversial subjects. For the life of me, I can't figure out any subject in or out of official manuals that can't be considered controversial. Everything is subject to speculation, because it is all faith-based. Anything said by a profit is open to interpretation, including everything in the BoM, D&C and PoGP. If a statement is called revelation and doctrine one day, it is likely to go out of vogue once science or popular opinion is against it. >President Thomas S. Monson said there is peace that comes from teaching with the spirit of obedience. These two quotes together remind me of the 1984 Slogans: IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, WAR IS PEACE. |
| Subject: | So ridiculous! |
| Date: | Jan 11 19:41 |
| Author: | Mormon Observer |
| You could quote a conference talk from the church's own
web site and be in trouble for your lesson! You could even look up the references like quotes from the Journal of Discourses and find out they were completely out of context, or the article next to the quote was much more interesting!! (and 'faith' demoting!) What a load of crap. The mother was overwhelmed by cognitive dissonance, not the books and materials she was looking at to beef up her two page watered down manual lesson! |
| Subject: | That's so overtly Orwellian there's not much more to say! n/t |
| Subject: | They obviously don't have the spirit of prophecy. |
| Date: | Jan 11 22:09 |
| Author: | can't log in here |
| If they did, they would have foreseen that stripping
down the lessons and making them so very boring would prompt most normal
people to seek out other sources. It also strikes me that the church has major retention problems with converts and people outside the Morridor because they are clueless about their competition. I don't do church, but I do get colorful postcards from the local churches every month. The trend is for them to have a theme for the month, with all of the sermons relating to real, ordinary life issues that congregants may be facing. Everything has a very upbeat, modern tone. My kids have been to some of these churches with friends, and they report that the sermons were really interesting, with a few scriptures thrown in. It seems like the Mormons, instead of trying to revitalize their programming, is trying to kill it entirely. If they're going to dumb down the lessons, why not delete an hour off Sunday services and just have sacrament and RS/PH/YW/YM? And, hey, they'd save on electricity, too. |
| Subject: | The veil covering the cult gets thinner and thinner…..n/t |
| Subject: | The New Gospel Principles Manual (Ensign 2010) |
| Date: | Dec 24 19:23 |
| Author: | southern idaho inactive |
| The New Gospel Principles Manual By Elder Russell M. Nelson Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles http://www.lds.org |
| Subject: | Re: The New Gospel Principles Manual (Ensign 2010) |
| Date: | Dec 24 19:50 |
| Author: | Simon in Oz |
| Nelson is quite proud of the mind-numbing repetition
that the sheeple will have to endure because almost every class they go to
has the same lesson manual. "The Gospel Principles manual will be used as the course of study for second- and third-Sunday Melchizedek Priesthood and Relief Society classes. It will also be used as the manual for the Gospel Principles Sunday School class for new members, investigators, and members returning to activity. Because of this, some of you may wonder if there won’t be some redundancy. Of course there will! Isn’t it wonderful that we can gain the added benefit of repetition." The New Gospel Principles manual has the newest doctrines.... Quote from chapter on scriptures The Book of Mormon is a sacred record of some of the people who lived on the American continents between about 2000 b.c. and a.d. 400. |
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