Interesting stuff-- are you taking this from GBH's interview with Larry King? Or were there other instances of him on television? I was pretty young...
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Haha you may be right here EOD. I kinda had the fleeting thought while I was still active-- "maybe I should stick around and just try to be the instrument for change here". Yeah that didn't last long.... too much cognitive dissonance would be involved with fighting from within to stay sane.
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Has anyone on the board tried to climb the TSCC ladder to enact any kind of change from within a position of influence? Or do you know anybody that has? My guess is that there aren't many... It would be incredible if someone were able to do it all the way up to the Q15 then publicly denounce things through GC. Though, I really doubt anyone would have the time or the patience to complete s
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Here's what I've gathered-- A healthy dose of skepticism towards a lot of things, my future relationships, future involvement in community, etc, is important. I get that-- I'd hate to rebound towards something unhealthy just because I feel broken or abused by a woman or by my upbringing. That being said, and I'm not taking blame for the way others have treated me through this process, had I b
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For what it's worth it was not my intention to undermine any of my classmates' maturity nor to diminish their professionalism. I simply never thought that could be misconstrued in that way, so I apologize!
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Mr. Gator, You type like a young-gun! Never would've guessed 71! I'm doing excellent- we just finished up human anatomy and started our molecules to medicine block (your favorite: biochem). Started school a little rougher than I planned but it is all working out for the better. Cheers, MB
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Boner, not entirely sure what you mean, but yeah I'm game! haha
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Hey cheers for that, you're right, I'm not damaged goods. Somehow still feel that way sometimes, but I've learned to start recognizing that as unnecessary thoughts from the old brainwashing. If anything, I think my experiences will hopefully make me that much more interesting. Thanks for the encouragement!
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Of course I have! I grew up a short drive from red rocks! Beautiful place.
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to think about. But school is great Summer thanks for asking! We finished up anatomy and are moving into "molecules to medicine." Lots of conceptual, biochemical science now. Tough but interesting.
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So life has been getting pretty rad guys. I love my school, love my classmates here in CO, I've been enjoying the freedom of thought and action that my newfound spirituality allows me, and with the help of an awesome therapist I am (somewhat surprisingly) moving far forward from the hurt and sadness over my ex leaving. It's awesome. Mind is clear, med school parties are amazing and I'm playin
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When my now ex wife went and saw a mormon therapist about me leaving the church, the therapist was the first person to tell her to consider divorce over irreconcilable differences. She told my ex that what I did was "betrayal" to her and to God, for not wanting to be mormon anymore. Sure enough, our divorce boiled down to a loss of trust because of how betrayed she felt by my actions. I
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Crazy to think that I am an alum of that school now. Oh how the time has flown! That being said, I did like provo quite a bit. I even credit a huge part of my leaving the church to two awesome professors (TBM's). Showed me where some serious flaws are in between science and TSCC, but more importantly, taught me, when questioned, how they deal with it-- they just shelf those things or admit tha
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I was always so surprised at how many TBM women I have spoken to about polygamy, including my ex wife, that were able to justify it better than me and other mormon men I knew. At times I felt like I was more on the side of women's rights than the women were! Why does that happen? Especially if the church really is a "shadow matriarch"
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The amount of cognitive dissonance a human can put up with not to confront their doubts. I wonder if it is literally easier for people to deal with the cog dis than it is to confront reality. Maybe it feels easier at the time. But I imagine the long term toll it takes is far worse than the toll it takes exploring your questions free from bias.
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Touche. She did choose the bar though. And I only had 3 drinks. And we still had one more time face to face when she was planning on getting the car and all her things. But I hear ye chipace. Nice and slightly pessimistic about things as always haha
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Thanks cynful! I appreciate the crap out of you
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Haha she said at the time she didn't like it. But I did get laid one last time so I think she did. Is that weird? Haha sex was definitely one thing that we never struggled with...
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First of all.... worth the cost! That being said-- if you are under a health insurance provided through work, usually they come with mental health services that include 4-6 COMPLETELY FREE therapy sessions for almost anything. Ask your insurance about EAP or something like that....Otherwise I know of other insurance coverages that include something similar even for those individually funding i
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Sometimes I was so grateful to be there, all TBM and such. That would last for months then I'd have a breakdown and be like "WTF do I really believe?? Could this all be a lie?" Then I'd research and pray and fast, have some spiritual experience and blame it on the church and be right back happy go lucky TBM. There were always "temptations" even when I thought it was true. A
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Hie, Tell me about it. Bizarre is the right word! I've been dealing with it all surprisingly well lately, though. Seems I might actually be starting to move on a bit? The board sure helps, hearing everyone's outside perspective. PS the tequila WAS good. I'm a big tequila fan all of a sudden
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It was totally her first drink unless someone accidentally gave her a REAL pina colada on our honeymoon instead of a virgin haha. She said she would take a drink, I said it should be a shot of tequila. If she was like "alrighty I'll take a shot of tequila if you don't resign," then yeah maybe I'd wonder if she had drank before too.
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I mean, she moved to utah. Barely talks to me, there's not a whole lotta room to nurture but even if I could, what's the point? To have her leave the church AFTER divorcing me? God wouldn't that feel terrible. She told me in our last face to face conversation before she split for utah that one day I'd realize she was making the right choice to leave me and that when I realize she was right, I
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Woah-- I never thought she could be that way, but this actually makes a lot of sense, especially considering some of the other things she used to do to pull on my emotions. Who knows, really?
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Yeah she took the "lesser of two evils", right?
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No I never wanted and still don't want a divorce. She's the one pushing everything forward.
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So a little while back, after finding out my DW started the divorce process, I decided that I didn't want anything to do with a church that is keen on splitting up families. I do realize my situation isn't the first time this has happened, but it was the first to REALLY hit home. I wasn't planning on removing my name from the records before this, simply because I didn't care enough to/need the cl
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Good call- definitely didn’t mean it that way.
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No worries Hie. Franklight, ificouldhietokolob was right, I went through this recently and it ended up in my wife leaving me. At the end of the day, I did all that I knew how to do at the time to prevent that from happening. Since opening up to her, there are things I have learned that I definitely would have done differently. Here are some things: 1-Don't allow her to discuss the issue
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I know this may be the less-than-popular opinion for a site like this, but reading through Sam's testimonial at his trial as well as watching him read his letter formally announcing the EX, I found myself thinking he was kind of a rude about the whole thing, especially considering the pretty straight forward ad hominem attacks on the leaders he presented to. WOAH WOAH WOAH-- before you slam
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