I always say 'there are two types of Mormons, those who don't know, and those who don't care'. That pretty much sums up this religion. The numbers that don't care has grown in recent years, but when they're in it for their own motives, you'll end up with a narrow pool of sociopaths battling each other for leadership positions.
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These comments are ridiculous, Peterson uses evidenced based arguments, so the attacks here against Babylon seem incredibly misplaced and driven by venom rather than facts. Petersons points on everything from the use of Gini data in crime, to how equality arguments are misleading are very robustly founded.
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I think there are two big issues here for TBMs: 1. Most simply do not know - most TBMs i knew (especially the 'sisters' simply did not do doctrine - i suspect this is because Moism is culturally focused on male priesthood dominance and the women know their place and don't go into the doctrine space as a result (a bit like the way the Taliban manage education for girls). As a result a large por
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Where is this post, how evidence based is it. No offence to Steve Benson but i find his posts hard to follow, long, rambling, which surprises me since i heard he works with journalists.
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Why apologise? The comment is legitimate and fair. It was only 200 years ago that English and Welsh people were dumb enough to fall for Mormonism on masse. However since then, mass education and the proliferation of anti religion ideas and has resulted in the decline of religion overall. However in Africa and South America that isn't yet the case. Nothing in this implies a genetic differe
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I really couldn't give a shit what Peterson thinks. He's an old guy that is heavily over weight. His world appears to be that he gets some social standing from being an apologists as without that he'd likely be irrelevant in his community. Good for him. Bottom line though is he'll be dead soon. I'm glad i'm exmo. I come here because i'm pissed off that i was lied to by a bunch of scam artists
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Power and social standing are unconscious motivators. I suspect he likes how he is seen and thus feels good about his standing in his community. He then reads that as the fruit of the spirit which self confirms his delusion. He also receives social power through callings and through his 'rank' as an apologist. People like that fat guy, Peterson strike me as the same. His lofty style shout
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Religion is always about emotion and not about facts. Mormonism is totally dependent on that reality. Problem is, many members love the delusion even when they know it is a delusion. It feels good to them and scratches that mortality and social structure itch until something sharp jars them awake - and that can come in the oddest of times and ways. Religion is irrational. Mormonism makes
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you mean this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRcwRFOrCpg
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I don't see the point of this tour. I don't see what any members get out of it. Nelson will rock up, he'll give the usual empty words, a low grade pep talk, with some mildly humorous story about his past, then they'll close. Members will leave and if they're honest they'll wonder what the heck that was even about and was it even worth attending? The problem for LDS leaders is they
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Yes it will. The war is already won. When you look at the LDS numbers and what is happening to it, you can see that it is in retreat. It very closely mirrors the fall of Nazi Germany from 1944 on. Basically the forces arrayed against it and the entirety of its internal capability were such that continuous decline was the only result. Yes die hard Nazi's resisted, they fought back, but
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Most of the members i knew were people who wanted a better world both here on the earth and in the afterlife. This got me to thinking about why people stay when they hear the facts about the true history. Mormonism sells itself as an optimistic world shaping organisation. It's a community of people all striving to create a better life on earth under an honest and meaningful government (one
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From the outside it is so obvious that it is a fake church. A fraud. When you see the minutiae God seems to think is the focus of his eternal plan whilst the rest of humanity is 'fooled' by ideas of evolution and a timeline longer than 6000 years whilst we watch TV, use cell phones, and the internet. Mormonism actually had a chance once to survive, to perhaps be mainstream as far as a r
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The irony is, the church can't see the evil institution it is becoming. It may talk pious and sweet, but increasingly all we see is a group of old men controlling what adults and and cannot be exposed to, not for their genuine good, but purely so the cult can keep them locked in. This is about member retention at all costs and it's really passed the point of immorality. It's in deep into
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Well it is important to remember that the very idea of combined gender classes was something society has never considered until the TSCC suggested it. All through the 80's 90s 2000's everyone was schooled and educated in single gender classrooms. That is the story the TBM's will be telling their kids when the kids hear that Priesthood and RS were once held separately.
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devoutmormon I was a genuine believer - absolutely convinced it was true. I was teaching Gospel Doctrine when i began researching Noah and the Ark story for one of the lessons. I noted the LDS position was that there was a global flood which bothered me as i recall from geology that position had been disproven so i looked into it some more and yes the early LDS position by Smith was the global
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To be fair to the BOM that passage, even though it lacks grammar and punctuation contains a lot of content. Whether Smith or another author(s) it is actually pretty good. You have a story starting in which a family leave everything behind, travel to a new location, some similes likening them to parts of geography, character conflict set out. This isn't something that many people would do real
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Let's go further on this: Imagine asking members a question, "My daughter, she's 14 received a text message from a member, he's 38, married. He wanted to know if she was single, and if they could chat privately sometime. What do you think i should do? Do you think this is ok behaviour?" Then let them prattle on about calling the cops, the guy is a perv, etc etc. You don
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I suspect the gene pool there will be too shallow in a few decades and we'll have inbreeding problems. They can't have more than 1500 members in the entire area if half of that. Many of them are drawn from the third generation of the same big families. I know some who live on one street there - three LDS families all married to each others sisters/brothers. As the church declines the pool
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I think you are spot on Frank, i'm seeing this more and more. I can show actual statement by LDS Prophets in official LDS publications and they read them and then say, 'That was just his opinion" even though it was clear a from the pulpit thus safety the lord moment. I've spoke today to one TBM who is pro gay and insists the church does not judge and is not anti gay. Yet when shown past
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Great news, the sooner the better. Mormonism is changing and IMO becoming more dangerous the more it lies to conceal its past.
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The good news is the LDS main group is in decline. it is now a large but dying cult. And that is what it is now, a cult since it denies all forms of evidence against it, stands against mainstream science where science has no vested interest in LDS claims, and continues to push a morphing agenda either concealing, lying, or whitewashing its past. Unfortunately the US will have to face having c
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Any of you seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOFxilaUh3o&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop a video in which a black LDS member, Marvin Perkins attempts to whitewash LDS history by some odd conflations of scripture to change the interpretation of 'Skin' in the BOM to mean something else entirely, and make Blackness, or Dark Skin nothing to do with skin all of a sudden, throwing out g
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I'll put this before the court of opinion, but i'm not persuaded the use of the term 'Verisimilitude' as used in the BOM does anything but bring it into question. VS is a rhetorical term used to denote a fictional parallel to some reality. Why would the BOM describe itself thus if it was a factual history? The D-News has a pop at explaining but i don't think they defend it well https://ww
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What happens when your missionary force, your prime face to face sales people are now in fewer numbers and younger? If they thought they had issues before with obedience and maturity i think they're probably about to enter a car crash era that they'll have to spin over.
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The more you can tell people the truth the more you can save from being robbed of their earnings and lied to. Share the CES Letter out there. You can do a lot to prevent others being abused.
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I was banned from R****t for stating that i'm amazed that someone hasn't gone postal already on LDS leaders. When i think about the stuff that the Q15 and mormonism has done, how it has split marriages, caused children to commit suicide, cause depression, facilitated abuse, caused people to give up college, gamble businesses and fortunes, forsake other family members - when you look at these
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I doubt the US would survive such a war. A war founded loosely on slavery and the break up of the nation is one thing, but a religious war is something else altogether. TBM's and others will likely fight as fundamentalists, and having seen the mess in Iraq and places like it people know how to fight an asymmetric war. A war like that would not be single set piece battles like the US Civil War
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I wonder how much moism would change if all of the Asspo's older than Uchtdorf died in a plane crash making Uchtdorf Commander In Chief? Would he carry to existing party line or would we see a real shake up? Would Church Head Quarters move to Germany? Africa even, i mean is he really that different to the rest?
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I almost expected him to say 'we are white and we are delightsome" Now Brigham Young would have gone on about how the Negro blah blah curse of cain, never hold the priesthood, slay women or men who mix blood, blah blah. How much things have changed. LDS prophet can no longer quote LDS scripture or -real- doctrine because modern civilisation shuts him up and he's too scaredy cat to refe
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