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6 years ago
axeldc
If they cannot slutshame you, how can they control you?
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6 years ago
axeldc
They don't want to help members; they want to exploit them. Instead of giving more back to their lives, they demand more and more of their time, talents, and money. I couldn't believe they asked members who already have callings, pay tithing, and raise kids to come clean toilets. If I were giving $10k a year to the church, I wouldn't be happy being asked to scrub toilets!
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6 years ago
axeldc
You must like having someone watch.
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6 years ago
axeldc
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html Azari is guilty of not reading a crazy chick's mind.
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6 years ago
axeldc
The only thing he did wrong was go out with a nutjob starf*er who wanted fame, not him. She hit on him, he turned her down, she hit on him again. He agreed to go out, paid for dinner, she came back to his place, she let him take her clothes off, they had oral, and he's supposed to interpret from all that she's not interested in intercourse? Then she responds with public character assassinat
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6 years ago
axeldc
Gefeuert
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6 years ago
axeldc
My letter was just kthanxbye. They offered me no reconsideration nor invitation to return, nor any threat of discipline. Maybe I read too much into it, but I think they knew I was an out gay man and they were happy to be rid of me.
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6 years ago
axeldc
When I came out, my mother told me that she knowing being gay was wrong because it made her feel bad. After a few years, she finally realized that bad feeling was the homophobia she'd been taught her entire life. My life as a gay man and all the gays she met through me undid all the prejudices that church had built into her. Basing truth on feelings is really just reinforcing your internaliz
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6 years ago
axeldc
I find his character so arrogant and grating that I quit watching BBT about 10 years ago.
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6 years ago
axeldc
Has anyone read American Gods or watched the miniseries? I watched the first season last year and read the book. It's an interesting perspective on religion and how gods are born through the faith of their worshippers, and how they die when their worshippers vanish. In American Gods, most of them come with immigrants and stay here, evolving with the culture. There are also new gods created
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6 years ago
axeldc
Mormons can just use the Pantheon. Rome doesn't need another temple to another god.
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6 years ago
axeldc
How are they still so naive in the age of the Internet?
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6 years ago
axeldc
It's funny that half the responses seem to be telling me that I wrote my question wrong. I know exactly what I'm saying: Prior to 1985, resignation was called "voluntary excommunication". The church lost a lawsuit and had to accept resignations. http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1127964 The 2006 handbook explicitly tells leaders not to use the term "excommunication" w
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6 years ago
axeldc
I know what it's like for an Exmo. I was asking from the church's perspective. It seems they just changed the terms to avoid lawsuits for slander, but otherwise it's the same thing to them.
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6 years ago
axeldc
I replied, "Then why did the LDS growth rate fall to below 1%?" They are sending out recent HS grads with no college, no experience away from home, and very immature. Lowering the age to 18 was a big mistake IMO and robbed missionaries of valuable education and maturity. I was much better prepared to go after a year at BYU then right out of HS. I couldn't imagine going at 18 a
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6 years ago
axeldc
For all the good they do, they are also divisive, sanctimonious, hypocritical, and give license to discrimination. Imagine, for example, how gay people would be treated differently without churches. We even have court cases defending the right of religious people to violate our basic civil rights based on "religious freedom". Religious freedom is the right to go to your own church o
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6 years ago
axeldc
Per the church handbook (2006), it seems the only real difference is that they studiously avoid the term "excommunication" if you resign. This is probably for legal reason, as exing can be seen as slanderous. On page 150, it states that all the post-baptismal actions are the same coming back for excommunications and resignations. https://file.wikileaks.org/file/mormon-handbook-of
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6 years ago
axeldc
I don't understand the distinction. To me, excommunication carries more stigma. Does he think excommunication means you will try to repent and come back, but resignation means you are too stiffnecked to do so? Administratively, they seem to be the same form of discipline.
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6 years ago
axeldc
Attacking someone's religion like that is a hate crime. Would you think any differently if they attacked a synagogue?
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6 years ago
axeldc
Let me explain... No, there is too much. Let me sum up. In the old days, to leave you had to request excommunication. After 1985, they had to respect your resignation. My question is: what is the substantive difference in the eyes of the church? I know what it means for the Exmo, but what does a Bishop or SP see when they see a resignation? It only matters if you want to go back, so
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6 years ago
axeldc
My advice has nothing to do with your age gap: 1) Take your time. Don't get engaged until you've known each other a year. 2) Wait until you are 25 to get married. You are not fully formed until about 25. 3) Take care of yourself and don't lose yourself to someone else. A man who truly loves you wants you to be you, not his version of you. 4) Flee at the first sign of abuse 5)
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6 years ago
axeldc
As an introvert, I hated the missionary experience. Your main job is to talk to strangers about intimate topics like religion. You have to be with someone else 24/7 in a small apartment. You can no down time to yourself. It was sensory overload and very taxing. For reference, I'm INTP
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6 years ago
axeldc
It makes you appear more intelligent and authoritative. http://www.businessinsider.com/middle-initials-make-you-look-smarter-2014-5
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6 years ago
axeldc
From the LDS Church's perspective, what is the difference between resignation and voluntary excommunication, which is what they used to call it. If some resigned and wants to come back, what does the church do? Do you have to be rebaptized, get temple ordinances again, etc.? Does it harm your long term prospects in the cursus honorum? Note: I have no intention of going back, I resigned y
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6 years ago
axeldc
What a ridiculous system for choosing a leader: always pick the guy who has been there the longest, and never let him retire. This guarantees fossilization of thinking and a complete lack of dynamic flexibility.
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6 years ago
axeldc
I cannot wait until Romney criticizes Trump, and then Trump says something anti-Mormon in retaliation!
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6 years ago
axeldc
He doesn't deserve to be gay. Let him stick with his horrible, polygamous lifestyle.
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6 years ago
axeldc
The last 6 months of my mission were among the worst. I felt like I'd done everything I'd wanted to do and was anxious to get on with my life. My MP was a narcissistic control freak, whom I grew to despise. When the sisters from my MTC group left, I was ready to leave with them. I could have gone home for Xmas and caught the next semester at BYU and gotten on with my life. Instead, I waste
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6 years ago
axeldc
Col Potter had a tontine of a wine bottle with his WWI buddies.
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6 years ago
axeldc
Remember, missionaries are salespeople. They are not your friends. Do not mistake their friendly demeanor for personal affection for you. They are trying to sell you something. You've decided you don't want their product. Tell them to hit the road. Be polite, but if they don't leave you alone make sure they understand that you are done with them. You don't owe them anything, but they o
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