Unfortunately, proving abuse amounts to one side against the other unless you are fortunate to have a video account and that piece of film will be investigated up the wall to see if it's the real thing. There is the time frame laws, were any witnesses around that saw something suspicious, and then there is the cleverness of the abuser who often does an outstanding job of covering all of his b
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I, too, think the temple ceremony is grooming, removing your autonomy with steps like everyone dressing alike in ridiculous comic clothing, by giving everyone a new name, and by the required repeating of ceremony together in unison. Yessiree, was I ever being groomed to think these strange, weird requirements were dandy....to be made a robot who follows and jumps hoops of whatever the master o
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Yes, I totally agree that temples are ALL about control of "tithing revenue and control of its members", certainly not about no silly murals. I also agree with the conclusion that "It's exploitation through peer and family pressure". My first temple experience was in the Salt Lake Temple (no other temples for moi), where the artistically distinct murals grabbed and hel
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Heartless....hey, what's with the name as you have an amazing heart? As I am a Grandma and a Nana your compliment warms, well, my heart! AND, you are absolutely, scientifically on to something! I think Grandma's rule the heavens!!! P.S. I love, love, love being a Grandma, Nana, and now a GREAT-Grandma. What an absolute joy to only wipe noses when I want to, only change diapers when I
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Super fun comments.....half-time why did I not catch on to that one? WHICH MOTHER!!!! for dam sure and David Attenborough is right up there with being a GOD and GODDESS combined, he is one talented, caring, authentic human.
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Yep, Mother in Heaven by LDS gets the shaft. Hmmm...the way this celestial-parenting-paradigm gets handled and promoted by this church paints the picture of just one all important party.....THE man (of course!) getting this family business going solo. Well, I protest! I here by declare, officially by me!, that the LDS church is guilty of gross treatment of this saintly Mother in Heaven!
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A very lovely tribute to loving parents from you, c12notloggedin. Parents who truly try to give love, direction, and care....what not to be thankful for! My Mom did this on her own in my family and if there is a heaven, I know that she should be sitting on a cushionie chair, with her feet up, doing whatever she chooses; this type of behavior I seldom saw on earth as she had so much to do wha
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My mission comments come from a Mom wishing with all her being that her first child would want and choose to escape from the mission from hell in Haiti. My husband and I racked up her indoctrination to some she received from us in her early years of life as well as some from the church, but then, when we saw the "light" and were not active, we parented allowing our children the liberty
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"thinking great masculine thoughts"....that delivered a stupendous laugh in this arena. First, one has to imagine in their wildest that an apostle is capable or knows what THINKING even is or entails. Next, that word "great" to an apostle would equate with what they could do which would provide the biggest hand clap and the largest pile of BS. and so it goes.
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Sheesh,.you could have fooled me that THE prophet of the LDS Church is a Doc. Just one more big clue that Nelson does not lead, but follows....follows what will produce the biggest number of recruits doing his bidding which, of course, is to bring in the dough.
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Agree that the last line especially of Brother of Jerry is timeless and Done and Done's citing that Vicky Pollard "...should be the church spokesman". I get dizzy from the LDS Church continuous "circling". Why don't they?
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This is soo powerful. So very well spoken: >It wants members to lose their natural feelings, passion, path, direction and purpose and become a pawn in Mormonism's inWARD EXclusive reflection of nothingness, of drudgery and of ENDLESS TOIL...but for the lazy, rich and dead and/or dying.< Your use of the word, pawn, vividly places me back in the clutches of this so-called church when
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You can say that again: >They seem like the kind of guys who aren't comfortable with anything women can do better than they can.< They certainly did not learn the valuable social skill in kindergarten of SHARING, along with, I bet, taking a nap during the day to relax and revitalize and think about their actions. Natasha Helfer did a masterful job of standing up for what she held t
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I agree with your assessment of this quiet, dedicated historian - "Much respect for Quinn as a person, his career, and invaluable research". Written by Ex-Cult Member. His research was deep, profound, and he also opened my eyes, very wide to the dishonesty of the LDS Church's "so-called-history". Thanks, Michael Quinn. I regret I did not deliver these words to you in p
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Yes, definitely yes are they ever going to give the old whizzer "huxters (love your word choice here) a run for their money." Today's wonderful youth + the instant truthful Computer = wisdom and ACTION!
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Very funny, creative talent we have here....Thanks to all. *Sealing pets of their choice (no to my pet boa?...sheesh, it is just like the Garden of Eden pet) *Playing fetch in the CELESTIAL COZY AREA (hey come on, he is such a nice and well behaved Doberman and he has guaranteed that he loves JESUS) *Especially if someone has a pet camel (oh yes! I have two and they are the best and can
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I like your way of looking at the phrase, "The Church cares about rules until they don't." And your last comment, "Somehow though, the "Church cares" is an oxymoron except when you say the Church cares for itself above all else," hits the nail on the head (as the old saying goes). The Church's actions on its "exing" of Natasha Helfer certainly highlight
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Whoever deserves credit for creating this statement, it is one of my favorites. I began playing a game to come up with variations. Want to help? The church cares about truth until they don't. The church cares about honesty until they don't. The church cares about its members until they don't. The church cares about charity until they don't. The church cares about racism until they don'
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"Out of the mouth of Babes!" We, he and I, were heading for a day of fun when these words came spilling out. His mom was sharing how excited and anxious he was yesterday, Monday, when she was attempting to explain when I would be arriving. Upon my arrival (finally), these are the words he said with surprise, "Hey,tomorrow is today!". During our time together today I
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Dissidents Covenant Breakers Intellectuals Worldly Undiciplined Slackers
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I think you are right these words show "he must be dealing with massive cogdis", and "is his way of quelling his own doubts".
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^^^^ Well said and well written.
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This article by Kathy Stephenson is well done, very professional. I followed the video recording done by Dr. John Dehlin which was posted on YouTube and found this article to be factual, clear and concise. Thanks for sharing this sunbeamnotlogedin.
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Yes, power over people is intoxicating. Why they need and are taught to stand as the leaders inter a room! And, to be in demand as the spokesman for GAWD herself has to be mind blowing. And, they are in charge with the supposed-priesthood-halo-glow surrounding their (big) heads. What a trip! To have the mormon crowd and adolations following them constantly. Plus, the plush accomodations f
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Appreciate your sharing your interaction with him when you were at BYU, and it warms my heart to hear that you felt he actually cared about the students. Plus, it is good to be reminded of the complications and intricacies in holding the position that he holds in the church.
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It never ceases to amaze me as I witness the spectrum of member's reactions in the church....what one person would not put up with or be happy with is hunky-dorry with the next person. I think I have explanations and understanding, but then I don't. I'm curious if she has stated if her marriage is ending due to the nuances she holds as a believing member. Anyone know?
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Yes ^^^ to these thoughts. When members have been taught since they were left in nursery, as young as age 2, to bow and sing and praise the profit of the church the indoctrination does its mighty trick and duty (even when there "is nothing special about LDS prophets") Yep, "the members follow of the system"....it just becomes second-nature, like eating lots of bowls of gree
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Amen to the statement by Cludgie that "...there is no confidentiality in Mormonism." The Mormon Gossip Mill is a multi-billion acre establishment which is at the crux of the church. The devastation and hurt this has caused throughout the history of this organization is so immense, ugly and devastating it is difficult to begin to describe. Natasha Helfer will be able to write a mu
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Enjoyed discovering this fun read! Thanks for posting! I would love to someday be able to read this with my returned missionary children who are still TBM's. The monotony and drudgery of those two years leaped from your masterful remembrances and vivid descriptions, placing me too close for comfort! But really, the closest I can relate, because I did not serve a mission, is having to sit
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John Dehlin announced that the crowd and Natasha have been told to leave the church premises and they are meeting up at a new spot downtown. From here, John will live stream in 30 or 45 minutes with Natasha. The gist I got was that Natasha has her notes on her phone and needed to take it in to the meeting not trusting her emotions and abilities to say what she wanted to say without having it wit
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