“I don't know how the people of St. George can stand the heat, the Indians, the snakes and the flooding Virgin River. I believe if I had a house in Hell and a house in St. George, I'd rent out the one in St. George and move straight to Hell. I really would.” J. Golden Kimball
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I have always used my real name here (but without the space between first and last names, because I learned in the past that some computer programs only wanted a single token for the user identifier, defined as a sequence of non-white space characters). Nevin
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Not only that, I think there's a fairly good chance your words would even be 100% right. Nevin
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Yes, you are absolutely correct. Not only that, but it was also viewed that way (and dreamt of) by many of the early leaders of the LDS church. Tithing was to be the income tax levied by the "Kingdom". The "King of the Kingdom" was a separate title than a "Lord ". And in order for Jesus to be a "King of Kings, and Lord of Lords" (Revelation 19:16 and
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Bushman: "The dominant narrative is not true..." OK, I'll bite... in a few hundred words, what exactly *is* the dominant narrative? Nevin
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postpostmormon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...you are relying on "the learning of men"? According to Mormon doctrine, God *is* a man. ("As God is, man once was"-Lorenzo Snow, "Men, God, and Angels are the same species"-Parley Pratt). And if that is true, then (according to their own doctrine) there is no other choice b
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--Speaks a foreign language not immediately recognizable or representable from their name.
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You don't have to follow him. He doesn't have to follow you. But if you are not truly united, I wouldn't bet a nickel on the long term success of your marriage. And yes, you can be united and still have separate tastes on a great many things. But true love does not come by staring into each others eyes. Instead, true love comes when both of you are looking in the same direction. So, go in
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She can either choose to be a family, or choose to not be a family. But I think it is folly to go half way on anything. At all. Whether with school, work, family, church, or anything. Go all in, or get out. Life's too short to play "half way" games. Just my opinion. Nevin
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Becky, if you love your husband, then make every decision in a way that is designed to strengthen your marriage, and make the love burn brighter between you. Even the little things. So, if you love him, follow what he has done. If he is an "ex-Mormon", then become an "ex-Mormon" by resigning. Join him fully. Be a united family, even in all the little things. Nevin
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> I am talking about the 10 year old girls raped by > Warren Jeffs and the stunting of the health and > lives of those young women given no other choices. I agree. This is repulsive. Did you not read the part where I said, "...and commit no other crime in doing so"? Also, from a follow-up post of mine..."I (and my family) STRONGLY advocate advanced education fo
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> > I don't disagree. The issue with polygamy has > often been "consenting," though. Is a woman > raised since childhood with the indoctrination of > the inevitability of her being a polygamist wife > capable of consent? I don't know. I (and my family) STRONGLY advocate advanced education for men AND women, including education that gives them an in-depth wo
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Yes, I agree. There's a LOT of potential demographic data missing. But when/if/where that data becomes available, and can be incorporated into the model, it still will boil down to a "math problem". Furthermore, there's an entire class of cases where the "Harm Principle" will not apply. Google it and you will start to see the tip of the iceberg on this. And, as this d
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Besides the birth ratio, the difference in mortality rates tend to bring things back into equalization. I say the math works. But whether the math works or not, people need to be allowed to choose whatever they desire (LGBT or whatever), if they are informed consenting adults. As I said in my thesis: "As for my family, we believe that the government shouldn't be involved in any way w
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> > Your math makes zero sense, Some people are just math illiterate, I guess. OK, here is a sample math breakdown, based on a hypothetical 3% annual population growth rate, and a hypothetical initial birth of 100,000 male babies, and an equal birth of 100,000 female babies: YEAR 1 = 100,000 babies (of each sex) YEAR 2 = 103,000 babies YEAR 3 = 106,090 babies YEAR 4 = 109,273
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The following represents the position of myself and most, but probably not all, of my family. I have one son, in particular, who is a member of the LDS church and might not agree with all of the following. We do not discriminate against any religion, regardless to whom or what people may pray or worship. People may pray to and worship the rising Sun or to Buddah or whatever it may be, so long
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> "people > in heaven" is as unevidenced and implausible as > "angels in heaven." And if they're unnecessary to > the "philosophy," why include them? There is no need to include them, if that is a person's wish. Or if they wish to include them, that's fine too. It changes nothing, according to this philosophy. Nevin
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Under this philosophy, even if we do *not* exist forever, it would change nothing. Under this philosophy, when evaluating an idea, principle, or doctrine, you can completely disregard ideas of heaven in that evaluation. You can evaluate the idea purely on what it's theoretical benefit is to mankind on this earth. This works because, under this philosophy, it's just *people* in heaven, and *p
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ificouldhietokolob Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So he's just making stuff up. He believes in > "Jesus," but not in the things "Jesus" said > (about, for example, heaven and hell). > And it sounds like he "redefines" supernatural > beliefs, in rather odd (and made-up) ways, so that > they *can* fit his main
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> > Belief in an afterlife, for example...people who > believe in one, and who believe that only certain > kinds of life-choices or actions get you into it, > are affected daily by that belief. Whoa, wait a minute. You misunderstand. No specific actions are required to get you into the afterlife described by the person in the OP. We will *all* go there. But if you want
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First of all, the original phrase in the OP is not mine. It is somebody else's. However, I think I am going to endorse it, adopt it, and defend it. I like it. Now, as to the influence the belief in an afterlife may or may not have on behavior, let me word it another way... ...the person who coined the phrase believes there is NO SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCE between the afterlife and this life.
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You overlooked the part of the phrase that said "that would influence our way of life". The implication of including that phrase means that belief in, or non-belief in, life after death would be irrelevant to how your life should be lived. I will follow up with more later this evening. I've got three different appointments pending right now. Later... Nevin
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It is not needful to relate *opposition* to stem-cell research with believing in, say, intelligent design. If anything, it suggests the opposite... e.g., (for example) stem-cell research might be done by a human to accomplish intelligent design. And, based on early Mormon theology, God *is* a human being. Lorenzo Snow said "as man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become". A
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OK. I think the main part that is missing in his statement is an explanation of how he determines what is valuable in life, and what is not. He and I share the same beliefs on this (which is what lead to our conversation), and I once wrote a little bit about this at the bottom of this page (which he agreed with me on): http://pictures.bountifulbaby.com/gunstore/dojang.html Another missing
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As to writing it down, he did so because I *asked* him to. He came up with the statement spontaneously, as we talked about science and religion together. I stopped him on that statement, and asked him to write it down and email or text it to me. And so he did. He did so because he trusts me, and he knew I already understood a lot of what he believes, and he also wanted to know if I could see a
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I spoke for about an hour with this person. He also said that to him, the "religion of Jesus Christ" and the "gospel of Jesus Christ" are synonymous, and mean the same thing. And additionally, he said that in his opinion, the religion and gospel of Jesus Christ will always be in harmony with science, and he rejects anything that contradicts that idea. Which means he prett
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The idea of paying tithing rather than feeding your children or meeting your debt obligations would get rejected. Science doesn't support that idea, and it causes harm among the people. Dead-dunking everyone you can find in the history books would get rejected. Again, not supportable by science, and consumes limited human resources (time, material to build temples, etc.) that would be better
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No (he's not Mormon). Although after talking with him, I think he would not be against giving away 10% of his income if (1) he didn't need the money, and (2) it went to something that he considered to be a good and just cause. It needs to be plausibly supportable by science. Nevin
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I had somebody approach me today and give me a written statement that was intended to represent the position of his family, and he wondered how I felt about it. It said: “We reject any idea that would influence our way of life that is not plausibly supportable by science” What makes this encounter remarkable is that I would consider this person to be very religious. For example, he st
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I do. "Priesthood" allows someone to act for, and with the authority of, and on behalf of, another individual. It can be general in scope, or specific and limited in scope. I have given a limited form of my own "Priesthood" to my attorney on many different occasions. I have even given my "Priesthood", in some form or another, to several of my sons and daughter
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