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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
There's a "fundamental immaturity" to it that's obvious when one considers a child's "world view." The strict LDS adherence to such an upbringing creates what we call "shame-based" individuals who value conformity and "social acceptance" over independent thinking. I find a "visual metaphor" more appropriate than a "numerical" one.
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
Here is Mr. Clemens' description of polygamy: >>Our stay in Salt Lake City amounted to only two days, and therefore we had no time to make the customary inquisition into the workings of polygamy and get up the usual statistics and deductions preparatory to calling the attention of the nation at large once more to the matter. >>I had the will to do it. With the gushing self-suffi
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
n/t
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
I met Will at the very first Exmormon Conference way back when (20 yeras?). He presented at several of them and was always willing to "chip in" or fact check me. Besides "Blood of the Prophets," he co-authored "Innocent Blood" (with David Bigler, IIRC) and scores of other historical gems. He "slipped in here" occasionally as "Sagebrush Willie,"
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
"Glen Beck has Nazi Tourette Syndrome."
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
On dichotomous (black-and-white) thinking... Philosophers, theologians, and scientists have been debating that one for millennia. The poet William Blake noted, "The Creator of this Universe is a very cruel being." John Milton wrote of "Justifying the ways of God to men"; well, you get the drift... From my point of view, the Almighty (who apparently has a sense of humor i
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
7. Huh?!?
Human wrote: "This board seems to have a lot of people who believe their vaccination and vaccination passes will keep them safe." Then why get a shot? And you got your medical degree where? And simply because you've seen this anecdote many times makes it true? There are a lot of #$!% talkers out there these days, honest. Just look at all the LDS missionaries, for example. I'm full
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
8. Uh...
Vortigern wrote: >>Read "Human Diversity" by Charles Murray, and you will soon come to understand that modern humans are not all basically the same. Charles Murray is a political scientist and hardly qualified to be seen as an authority on this subject.
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
9. Uh...
Your source for that howler? Vortigern wrote: >>The "someones" who spread that false rumor were the members of the Fancher Train themselves... Given that all of the accounts for these events came from the murders themselves (other than the surviving children), this claim is strictly specious.
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
10. Sigh...
I think it's time for another plug for "Guns, Germs, and Steel." Item: This claim amounts to a simplistic generalization: "...We are all descended genetically, and also culturally, from dark-skinned ancestors" and to make the statement, "the original Black ancestors of all human beings" ignores the scientific consensus that race is a not a viable, scientific disti
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
I was worried, naturally, but he tells me his city dropped 30 degrees in a couple of days.
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
In another thread I detailed how Will Bagley unearthed evidence of Eleanor Mclean being brought to Great Salt Lake City by Orrin Porter Rockwell; they arrived in time for the "Silver Lake Picnic," on July 24, 1847, a celebration of the 10th anniversary of the Saints' arrival in Utah. At that time Young revealed the news of the U.S. Army being sent to the territory, and its goal was
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
"oldelder" wrote: >>Elder Pratt went to Arkansas to visit one of his eternal wives, to whom he had been sealed in the temple. That's inaccurate. Pratt was traveling under an alias (because of an old murder warrant; that's a long story by itself) to help Eleanor Mclean "kidnap" her children whom Hector Mclean had placed with her parents. Eleanor claimed she'd "
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
So why did you write "The Bill of Rights was not applied to the states"? Because you said so? #crickets I'll bring this back to "on-topic" by pointing out that the mob that arose in reaction to Joseph Smith ordering the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor was motivated by a strong belief in a free press.
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
(note: "Dichotomous thinking" is so-called black-and-white thinking, and this claim is a particularly egregious example) "Anybody" wrote: "Would it surprise you to learn both are wrong?" The logical fallacy in this manipulation is that both sides being wrong does not justify the claim the United States is not a Christian nation. Our own Declaration of Independe
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
Shoot, I consider it my Exmo calling... https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-there-wasnt-an-advanced-civilization-12-000-years-ago/ >>Graham Hancock is an audacious autodidact who believes that long before ancient Mesopotamia, Babylonia and Egypt there existed an even more glorious civilization. One so thoroughly wiped out by a comet strike around 12,000 years ago that nearly
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1heSTnyRho >>It's traveling at 18,000 mph...
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
Criminey, the blind hog found an acorn.
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
Is a Harvard astrophysicist a "Chinese propagandist"? Get yourself an education on just how huge the atmosphere surrounding the Earth (and the size of the planet itself), and you might look less foolish in the future.
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
21. Uh...
Wake me when you have some peer-reviewed sources rather than the Smithsonian magazine (and seriously, there's a copy on the table next to my work station). And I suggest you re-read the article again: >>"A recent study of human genomes in Papua New Guinea suggests that humans may have lived with and interbred with Denisovans there as recently as 15,000 years ago, though the claim
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/04/politics/chinese-rocket-earth-scn/index.html >>"I don't think people should take precautions. The risk that there will be some damage or that it would hit someone is pretty small -- not negligible, it could happen -- but the risk that it will hit you is incredibly tiny. And so I would not lose one second of sleep over this on a personal threat basis,&q
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2 years ago
SL Cabbie
This one actually showed a local SLC suburb number but once again the voice was a dead giveaway... With my dad's death I'm "kind of stuck," but the only information they get from me is he's gone, and I'm not buying the $#!% they're selling.
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3 years ago
SL Cabbie
24. Huh?!?
Le mot est "incroyable," vraiment.
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3 years ago
SL Cabbie
https://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_bigbook_appendiceiv.pdf In the AA "Big Book," there is a chapter "to the agnostic," titles "We Agnostics." I'll underscore what "not drunk today" said that AA works for a multitude of people and can work for him. And seriously, Heidi, with your nephew living with you, I strongly recommend the Al-Anon family group
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3 years ago
SL Cabbie
Cabdriver Confession: I said something "pretty racist" when I figured out I was being drawn in by a phone call saying they were going to deliver something to my late father's address (where I'm living right now), and I needed to "press 1" if I didn't recognize the order. Here's a nice website detailing the tactics. The @$$ hat actually claimed to connect to my dad's bank an
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3 years ago
SL Cabbie
www.sltrib.com and you'll have access to more free articles than I've been able to use most months. BOJ is correct about it costing $8 a month to get the newspaper, and as I noted, it's only published on Sundays nowadays.
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3 years ago
SL Cabbie
Where are the Smith's? (I'm okay with the apostrophe; that one is stylistic) Joseph Fielding Smith was LDS president when I was a teen. I credit him with keeping me out of the church when he denounced evolution, saying one couldn't believe in evolution and the Divine Mission of Jesus Christ (JFS: "Man, His Origin and Destiny"). Other LDS leaders, including David O. McKay, did beli
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3 years ago
SL Cabbie
I remember the rest of the story. The monument at the site of the Mountain Meadows Massacre (a rock cairn constructed from the original material used by Major Carleton's men) was being rebuilt, and despite their best efforts using ground-penetrating radar, a backhoe unearthed the remains of a number of the victims. These included children, and forensic analysis showed they'd been murdered at clos
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3 years ago
SL Cabbie
A half-dozen or a dozen free articles per month. That's adequate for my needs since we also get the Sunday newspaper (which is where I first saw the Fletcher Stack story I linked). The paper is no longer published daily, of course. The Tribune was a first-rate newspaper until the Singleton fiasco, and with the Huntsman family now the publishers, it's better than it was during that era. The sto
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