Are we there yet? Well me personally, am taking back my power I lost after handing it all over to the church and its people most of my lds serving life. I was not terminated from attending church over sin, as in fact I was more finatical, conditional, and my rightousness was nothing but filthy rags that attracted arrogant leaders who were simply more stable than me who flowed more with the passion for power. I was not flowing with passion for power. I just wanted to be accepted as me the extroverted exhuberant evanglistical concious in serving my lord. But it got me constantly in trouble because of the fear and guilt when I couldnt live up to the standerds, yet pushed myself, only made matters worse and was misjudged with that glassy look in my eyes that gave impression I was some terrorist about to blow up a building he he.
True I was torn between wanting to entering into christ rightousness and yet striving toward perfection in my own rightousness, a contradiction that led me to numerous breakdowns and depression called biopola manic disorder.

As soon as I said no matter what even death I will be rightous at any cost, I attracted other madman like myself, even if some were totally in control of their madness, as one new bishop, hearing of jucicy malicious gossip about me exposing deception over some racist and racism in the church that had affected my marrige, was not only swepted under the carpet, I was terminated from attending church and that was 7 years ago and not even told why to recently when finally invited back just to sacrament only.

Besides while out of the church for apostasy, and comming to further light, knowledge and truth about the loving real jesus, I did surrender my rags of rightousness and entered into his, christ rightousness, relaxed and stop earning salvation.
The only effort required was to get out of bed to go to church and to work on our marriges as that effort was necessary and the icing on the cake could be the ordinances of the gospel like some insurance for the here-after and more so to love and support a lds wife who is a practising good hearted saint.

Yes, even besides my new light and knowledge about the loving jesus, there was a book by Siliva Brown, called the mystical christ about him surviving the cross, who never came to atone for our sins, no such thing as resurrection, but an after life of spirit divine we all return to and get to choose to return to earth or a planet over and over until we are on our last life to be totally embraced by the light and Siliva believed 90% today were on their last life.

No one KNOWS it all. That would be egotistical to claim such faith on FEELING and for born again christians apon the word, the bible that is so messed up, translated many times by wicked kings, priests and popes and imperfect historians.

Life is a gamble but it is also a gift. The movie the secret seems over the top at high end of the happy scale that we feel we dont deserve thus bingo, we end up missing out and prayers go un-answered..... We must take our power back and not hand it over to man, priest and leader.

of course they can be wrong, the blind leading the blind, but they believe they are inspired to direct with authority and in many instances they are good watchmen. In my case I was ruthlessly misjudged, spat apon that destroyed my marrige and all its intimacy that I long to get back.

hanging by a thread, attending church for the sake of my wife
who forgave me after that inexperienced new bishop, son of a monster stake president, both tarred with the same arrogant self-rightous brush,cast me out, the one lost sheep and never went after, allowed me to stray that led me to choose sin like never before, even to fulfill a prophecy of having a daughter when I was infertile, a mirical out of wedlock as if god allowed the devil to tempt me as that blessing/revelation was suppose to happen in the church and sanctity of a covenant marrige but it didnt and never could.. Finally by hitting rock bottem I got what I always wished for a beautifal daughter tho taxing financially to send money overseas to provide for her.
The mother who almost joined the church, sadly missed out on me devoicing my wife and take her to the temple to be sealed up as a family that was advised by a leader of the church until he learnt that my present wife had forgiven me and wanted me back made me then accountable to stick with my wife.

Am I happy about this decision, and also that bishop that terminated me went onto stake president to this day, finally approved me comming to church with my wife, and only thanks to my wife fighting for me, I forgive him and have moved on.

7 years robbed. Tho I was already excomunicated since 2000 but repented supposingly just in a matter of several years later and approved re-baptism overseas, but on return to australia this new bishop made sure I wasnt going to get back into the church.. This led to my fall and sins all over again and 10 times worse.. Now I am a father of a daughter thanks to him.

At least it wasnt all in vain...If I can wish for a daughter
as did imagined to see her spirit witnessed by my first/ my temple wife, now devoiced, the unborn dead, only to come to pass in a future marrige, or rather out of it in wedlock and transgression of 2010, and in repentance of that, I could be welcomed back to re-baptsim sooner or later but will I accept?
As we can wish for something as beautifal as having a child when infertile, a mirical can happen. Then one can wish to take back his power and never let the church crush him or her again.

I am stronger than ever. Just quiet smoking also after taking that up in 2000 after my excomunication.

I'm ready for positive challenges and cosmic secrets of the laws of attraction to give, recieve happiness, and owe the church nothing. All truth, answers lies within ourselfs.
Relegion is nothing more than the icing on the cake if we even choose that....All relegions could be built apon lies.

In conclusion the diaries of Joesph Smith, and even his own mothers recordings, his wife Emma had stated that the apperance of two personages in the first vision, was added to the 1838 version and the original version of seeing an angel that was not even 1820 but 1824, absolute historic facts that can be prooved, yet missionaries I read this out to, just claimed that the church was still worth enduring even if built apon a lie or fabrication because it strengthen families that believe in it and gives hope and a good life. In my case it can break families and did and that was even before I knew the facts..

I treat mormonism as high standerd moralistic govening motives to stir the members to live higher levels toward achievement and happiness. Tho my secret is christ rightousness not my own rags of rightousness to avoid break downs. Christ if did die on the cross and resurrected, then I am only made perfect in his rightousness and in gratitude that his blood spilt purchased me and everyone else, its only natural that faith without works is dead and works come as we dont hide our light under a bushel. But works do not save us. Out of love and commitment, is the sealing holy ghost of promise for whatever that means, simply salvation individually or the revelations of other lost scriptures that say its temple ordinances that are essential or if it be the true saturday sabbath the original 4th commandment changed by the catholic church, but the bible says the sealing is the holyghost of promise that we are all saved who believe in christ by grace...

Mormons know that the scipture that warns about accepting any other angel preaching any other message than the bible word, or that church and people will be accursed, does not apply to their angel and book of mormon. In fact their angel is the everlasting angel preaching the everlasting and restored priesthood for exaltation beond salvation and no one can achieve such eternal increase where in my fathers house are many mansions, without being a mormon sealed up in temple marrige for the celestial highest heaven..

This is a faith by feeling, that the bible warned not to trust in feeling but by the very word of the bible as conviction comming together and reasoning in the lord as a people. However again the bible messed up filled with contradictions such as the dead are concious of nothing, meaning no eternal soul then in another scipture christ went to visit the spirits in prison that mormons believe was all those of Noah's time now dead who are in the spirit prison and many who died at an age of accountability especially older children get a 2nd chance as they had only followed the traditions of their wicked parents. Christ gives 2nd chances and mormon spirit world gives 2nd chances to those who not had the chance to accept the gospel.
Some relegions say that if we make it, we are immortal and if we have not made it will be resurrected only mortal again to suffer the 2nd death termianted from existing for ever and no lake of fire as all fires go out, extinguished.

The fact being, that we get to choose, but to be happy in life we must not give our power over to man to crush us as authority of leaders will go to their heads and men love to rule over people in leadership positions its quiet obvious, just like in politics.....Its not blind faith for me anymore.

I honor unconditional love and church now is icing on the cake, and it speaks for itself, members of a church just like a club should be treated like a club tho clean and pure is their rules and that is fair enough. It is not as heavenly as they might like to think it is. Its all about protecting the image of the church more than the people is mormonism outlook and teachings.

is it christian? yes if the people think for themselfs, come and reason in christ rightousness and surrender their filthy rags of rightousness and trying to please man and focus on god or christ as the only real judge and high priest in the matter..

It is a very strong possibility that christ didnt come to fulfill the law but to change the law, even abolish the irony of old testiment fear and guilt, levitical temple oaths and covenants that people may be set free in christ rightousness rather than in such strict mosiac laws even if done away with animal sacrifice. Levitical laws were stated never to change from saturday sabbath to execution of the temple death threat penalty but it all got changed therefore it discredits the mormon church truly adopting themselfs into the levitical priesthood order..

If a levite priest can walk on by me or anyone to get to the temple as I an others lied in a ditch and yet a good samariton stops to help the wounded, who is the greater example christ said? The good samarition obviously..

so if christians catch the fish first and christ cleans them, then mormons clean the fish first and the devil catches them.

The horse before the cart so to speak.
Are mormons christian? ARe levites or modern day levities christian? Those who have been born again and entered into christ rightousness denying their stinking filthy rags of righousness, avoiding self-rightousness and arrogance etc can be the greater example of the real loving jesus of compassion.

I take this example now to visit the lds church. All those high moral standerds mean nothing without love and charity and reaching out to lost sheep and the wounded etc..

Only my wife bat for me, then the future bishop did bat for me here in perth Western australia, Dianella stake, but 7 years robbed of my life over an arrogant levite bad example that nearlly cost me suicide, murder toward him, let alone the only good thing that came out of it was the sinful blessing of a daughter born when I am only 0.1 % out of million fertile that fertily tests prooven positive is beond science understanding.
Because of this blessing, I chose not to harm the bishop that terminated me who is now the stake president plus in christ rightousness I do love the lord and wish to harm no one as we are all gods children and none of us is perfect and none of us is more superior than the other as that only sparks world wars.

Hope we can all learn or come to remember who we are precious in gods sight, be it that we are all god godding together in conciousness or there is truly a loving god/man with a beard who created our spriits which would mean we all have a heavenly mother and to mormonism god would have many wives he he. Now that sounds blasphemy but all that he hath is promised to his faithful mormon servents. No wonder a reward to good to refuse one might even kill for it just like some muslems kill as they believe they get an extra wife in heaven for doing those deeds against the western world system.

Well if we cant be good then be good at it, he he.
lets have a sense of humour and get on with life and the show.
As shakesphere said life is but a stage and we are all actors apon it the stage... Choose your role well and live it well.
As buddhest say, if you cant do anything great in life at least dont harm anyone along the way.

blessing to all of you ex mormons out there. There is hope.
Remember all answers lie within ourselfs. Be it feeling or facts, or the word of god to go apon, the whole motive should be that out of love I have learnt will come good morals.
But all the morals first dont make one a christian or a good person of any worth, if love is not in their heart.
Morals can even change over history what is right one day is against the law another such as poligamy.
I bet it would be practised today if the law of the land allowed it for mormonism.

It is a church of extreme cultish idealistics but the feeling is warm and fuzzy and many go there to recieve its blessings a great start but could be a bad ending.
Its a mirical that I even step foot in the building again..

Love is all there is, the rest is fiction we are making up.
I just want to love and respect all and they should love and respect me..

bless you all.
Larry.. Perth Western australia.....