I honestly think that membership numbers will continue to decline and the problems with the church and history will become more apparent. Now I hope that there will be a huge downfall and Mormon scandals will plague the news, but that's probably unlikely. So what do you think the future holds for TSCC?

Long-term predictions about low-validity situations are useless. Too many uncertainties.

Tax rates have increased, while personal income has declined.
Making it much harder for an individual to pay hefty member ships dues to LDS Inc.

There are many more ways to be entertained /involved today, than by listening to fanciful BS stories about the origins of American Indians, or trading secret handshakes in a MORmON temple.

MORmON LIES are being better exposed by the internet.

LDs Inc is building /spending AS IF their growth could never falter.

This is a recipe for a train wreck for their church / religion business.



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The church will slowly fall apart. Member attendance is already decreasing. Wards will be consolidated. Many Chapels will be defunct & properties sold. Ward and stake boundaries will expand.

Monson will eventually pass away and Uchtdorf or Bednar will step up. When Uchtdorf takes over he will be honest with the world. He redirect what's left of the church in an upright way. He will liberate people from the sketchy church history, the confusing scriptures, the endless busy work. He will redirect the church to offer tools that individuals can use to create lives of meaning and purpose. Genuinely helpful service to the sick, needy, less fortunate, and elderly.

And Uchtdorf will openly declare that he is not a prophet, but a humble leader with sincere good will.

And Uchtdorf will return to being a lay member, as well as all other GA's & 70's. Ensuring that all tithing funds (for those who opt to tithe, no longer compulsory) will be allocated for the right end purposes, and the books will be a matter of public record.

Missionary work will cease. The church will run its natural course and thrive or wither away.

And Uchtdorf will convert temples to chapels, or sell them as posh relics to any wealthy private buyers who may be interested. No more temple ordinances because Uchtdorf has figured out that it's all been untrue.

Lenina, are you serious? If so, are you from Germany?

I honestly have good vibes about Uchtdorf. I sense that he's onto the *real* truth along the same course as Hans Mattsson. If he ever gets the opportunity, he will hopefully come clean and guide with honesty & love whomever still wishes to hang on.

I'm American, live near Washington D.C.

Okay that's cool. Hope you're right. When I saw your comment, I though perhaps you were a member or former member who know him over in Germany...your name seemed Germanic to me. I am a bad speculator.

My name actually starts with an A but for fun I'm using Lenina, after a character in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

Oh my, I just read over everything I wrote. If I came across as an Uchtdorf worshipper, that was not my intention, hahaha! I just use him as an example because he seems to be next in line after Monson. U seems to be genuinely sincere, and again, I strongly sense he is on the same path as Hans Mattsson.

No you didn't come off like that. I agree, he seems like the GA most likely to do as you suggest.

He is not next in line after Monson unless a lot of apostles quickly die. He is quite a junior apostle.

The real power brokers are now Oaks and Holland. Assuming 'normal' life expectancy, Oaks will serve 4 years as prophet and Holland 8 years (after being Pres. of the Q of 12 for 4 years).

So, any significant changes will need Holland's OK, IMHO.

I am saying fervent atheist prayers that Boyd Packer will survive to be the next prophet. Otherwise all his nonsense will go down the memory hole.

Imagine the "Presidents of the Church" manual they would do on BKP.



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"...Boyd Packer will survive to be the next prophet. Otherwise all his nonsense will go down the memory hole.

Imagine the "Presidents of the Church" manual they would do on BKP."

Oh please, not Boyd K. Packer, hah!

Since the Mormon church would rather you spent the money on them via tithing than pay extra money for gas, I predict the church will become much more internet/Skype oriented. "Branches" might consist of a few connected computers. Hey, it's another way to up the number of "congregations!"

Then they could set up a whole batch of fake online members to boost apparent membership. Or have accounts for everyone in the "lost" file and just assign them to a ward with a robot running the account.

They do proxy baptisms for the dead, why not for the living?

2 million Mormons doing 60 proxy baptisms for the living each week = 6 billion in one year. Bingo! Definitely the largest church on earth.

They could send them a weekly sermon via internet, if they collect their emails. Or simply post a sacrament meeting video on youtube and facebook. Then they could claim 1 billion attending church each week (whether they click pon the link or not).

Now aren't we so pleased Heavenly Father inspired the internet and those atheists who started Google and Facebook (and Microsoft and Apple). Oh, how come God's modern prophets/trailblazers are atheists? What went wrong with the plan? Must ask Mr. Deity sometime.

Well, I thought Ezra Taft Benson's extreme views would lead to mass apostasy (sorry Steve) but as they kept him in line even I didn't resign. I think it will last another generation or two but mainly just in Utah

The future is unknown to any of us, but we can dream about what would tickle our fancy.

For me, the end comes during my life time as the OBVIOUS lies and deceptions gain greater acknowledgment in the world. Missionaries begin to question because the general population is becoming better educated with access to the internet and other educational sources.

The tax exempt status gets cancelled as the involvement of the church in politics becomes blatant. The small amount of actual tithings being used as promised gets challenged and the church will have to become transparent in it's financial dealings.

The leadership of the church has to acknowledge they are NOT prophets as changes are issued due to political and social pressures. Their financial support within the membership gets removed as their flagrant lifestyles become known.

The new mall in SLC falls flat on it's ass as the obvious role of the church for financial gain is made known and the ridiculous types of stores there fold. (That one I just might see in my life time. SMILE and SNICKER!)

As long as those old men in Salt Lake have two pennies to rub together, "the church" will endure. I'm betting the top 15 have millions, if not billions tucked away so unless there is some terrific scandal, and resulting dispersment of funds (how I would love to have back even a fraction of the tithing I sent in to those frauds) I don't expect the TSCC out of Utah to go away any time soon.

What I do expect to see is that Mormonism will collapse back into a weird, American religion, culturally observed in the Rocky Mountain corridor. A little cult "fringe" religion whose principle membership are elderly, white, socially-backward guys who hope their faithfullness will result in a harem of hot women in the next world.

They make keep and finance tiny congregations on other continents so they can claim to be a "global" religion, but the writing is on the wall of the internet. And the internet does not forget. LOSERS!!

I'm guessing there will be a major financial scandal in the next 10-15 years that will involve bad behavior of at least one of the top 15. They will attempt to cover it up but it will come to light. There is just too much money and it is kept too secret and eventually that is going to equal corruption.

You mean like LDS INC funding of the 2002 Olympic bid bribery scandal ...... and getting away with it.

You mean like LDS INC bankrupting one of their financial investments companies..... like Beneficial finance.....


You mean like LDS Inc spending 5 billion dollars on a new Mall to replace a very nice mall that was not financially viable........

You mean like LDS Inc posing as a church, dodging billions of dollars in taxes while doing a *Bernie Madoff* every year or so and continually getting away with it.......

and then NOT getting away with it?

We can hope !!!

For a long time I've thought the analogies between the LDS and the pre-reformation RCC are so numerous it's more than frightening, it's fascinaing in a nauseous way, what with the RCC being the great whore and all per JS. A great Mormon reformation is beginning and TSCC can't stop it. What's missing now is a great reformer from within the church as Luther was. Could come about through new "prophecy" but it will come and come from inside. Without it the current LDS will become a relic like the Shakers and Anabaptists and bankrupt too. There may be a counter reformation like Loyola led but it all equals the same- CHANGE.
I'm very interested to know what you all think the essential changes will be. One of the key ones will be distancing itself from JSJr, even to the point that he isn't recognized as "the prophet" but "our founder" which is how Lutherans recognize Luther and Methodists, Wesley. (takes care of a lot of problems at once.)

I think they'll do a flat tax tithing based on income; so your Mitt Romneys, J.R. Marriotts, and Steve Youngs will be paying 25% and your favelados in Brazil will be paying 5%.

(I don't really think this, it's just tongue in cheek).

I don't think TSCC will ever go away, I think they'll continue to reinvent themselves, obfuscate inconvenient facts, and try to make themselves look more and more like mainstream Christianity while trying to gain endorsements from well-known Christian leaders.

I could also see them putting crosses on their churches and temples so they can say, "See, we're Christians."

I suspect Chritianity as a whole is only a few hundred years from being completely gone.

Even if people reject Christianity en masse, I don't foresee it ever going completely away unless the governments of the Earth outlaw it. Even then, I suspect it would be practiced in secret. I do think society as a whole is becoming more secular.

What I hope will happen and what I think will probably happen are most likely not the same thing. . .

I sense they will come upon a time in the next 20 or so years where they feel "persecuted" as people continue to trickle away. Don't know if they will isolate themselves more or continue to try and mainstream their "I'm Xtian too!" beliefs. . .

Don't think it will ever truly go away though. There are still Scientologists, JWs, Moonies, etc. . . The world has no lack of emotionally driven people who throw logic, reason and scientific evidence out the window.

Well if I win a big Powerball lottery I intend to:

1. Fund MormonThink till doomsday.
2. Fund RFM till doomsday.
3. Fund a RFM site for listing pdf files etc. so we can post in one forum those kind of documents more freely.
4. Fund annually bill-boards in Utah along the main freeways in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to turn folks to MormonThink.com

I'll fund the whole thing off the interest.

I'll buy a moving van. Have it professionally painted with MormonThink on the outside, and have it parked regularly on Sundays in front of my ward building. I'll even pay someone to take the van and sit in it weekly with cameras mounted on the van to record any TBM infuriated actions. I'll move it to chapel after chapel all over the valley. I'll film TBMs responses and upload them on YouTube.

As it takes hold, I'll fund more and more to get the word out.

Then I'll watch TSCC forced into public attacks regarding the internet. The more vocal they become the more folks will goggle in privacy. I am told by my priesthood leaders that a huge majority of faithful Morgbots already do porn in private when no one is looking, so the big 15 won't be able to stop the truth from internet searching in private. The truth will get out.

The Mormon Church stole my grandparent's lives, my parent's lives, my life, my families' life, and all our donated money by LYING and brainwashing. I want TSCC to crumble to the dust. I don't care about those here on RFM that have the attitude then just walk away jiminycricket and let others live and be happy. That mentality when dealing with a crooked, conniving, correlated cult is corrupt - don't start a war with me!

My extended family and siblings have treated me like the scum of the earth because I value honesty and truth and to them - I'm demonic and reading anti material that has destroyed my faith in TSCC. I am a cancer. I am not wanted in their lives. I am unholy. I am a plague.

The killer is, I thought just like them at one time. All it takes is a crack and some knowledge of the TRUTH to see the scam that anointedone and all the rest of us know is there - a religious cult prevaricating fraud based on a pathetic con man, Joseph Smith Junior and his idiotic successor, Brigham Young.

OK, I'm calming down now. Got to go get my lottery ticket.

Thanks for the reminder about the lottery ticket.

Great rant. :)

armtothetriangle wrote...."A great Mormon reformation is beginning and TSCC can't stop it. What's missing now is a great reformer from within the church as Luther was."

I vote for jiminycricket to be the reformer.



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It might grow to six million--or 20 million in Mormon accounting!

First of all, the church will persist. Religions have a tendency to do that. Religions with such strong central control and bureacracy tend to be around longer.

As it stands, the Mormon church is at a crossroads. Under Hinkley, it went the populist route and is paying the price for that by becoming generic Christian control-freaks who stand for nothing, but grow alot. Under this scenario, I doubt "the church", as it is now, would last more than another hundred years.

On the other hand, under Boyd K Packard, or someone similar, the church could retrench (and probably will eventually) and swing back toward celebrating that it's not like the others (this is the church I grew up in.) In this scenario, they would remove from membership everyone who doesn't truly believe (like me, long before I even stopped going, let alone resigned), reducing membership to a core of about 3.5 million, in my estimatation. They'd probably jetison Boy Scouts and stop making missions a rite-of-passage among other things. This would keep Mormonism alive for many generations.