Hi all,

I posted on the forum here a good while back about me hearing about a marriage consummation room in one of the temples to ensure that marriages where consummated. I said that I would get back and speak with the individual I had spoken with that told me about this (he’s a non-member who many years ago had gotten a tour of a temple before it officially opened and said that he had seen such a room). Sure enough, speaking with him again, he had actually “guessed” that that was the purpose of the room, based on some stuff he had read about somewhere about Mormons. Anyway, I had been shocked at his original statements, but later found out that they were based on HIS OWN twisted up assumptions and not on anything he had been told while seeing the temple or otherwise.

Interestingly, discussions on the boards here revealed that occasionally temples do have a bed or someplace else for an emergency when someone may fall ill and/or need medical attention while in the temple, one individual commented on the board that a very old woman in the church told her when she was about to get married that they may allow her and her husband to consummate the marriage in the temple itself (she was appalled when told this), and there are other instances where in some of the older temples the lower floors occasionally had sleeping quarters for temple goers who had traveled many days to attend the temple.

Anyway, finally getting back to post about my specific, individual source, who I had found out was false.

I would bet dollars to donuts that early temples had a place to "git goin", although JS would do it just about anyplace handy from what I read...

I just watched an episode of 'The Following' which had a flashback of a young girl being taken into a cult leader's bedroom to be "initiated"--imagine the extra power a cult leader must feel if he's acting like/really thinking he's got extra God Power in the sack...

I remember that episode. I was so disgusted I wanted to throw up.

Sounds like total nonsense.

Warren Jeffs and his buddy do initiate sex as part of the temple ritual in the Celestial. They're following Joe Smith's legacy.

On the Utah Lighthouse Ministry website I've seen pictures of big tubs with naked adults receiving washing and anointing en mass in the early days of the Nauvoo temple. SLC cut this out when some of the saints objected and word got out to the public.

That's what I remember, and that picture creeped me out since teenage girls are forced into marriage, and that picture showed that the bed is so the older men can rape their newest wives. The mainstream LDS church which banned polygamy over a century ago doesn't have beds like that in their temples.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2013 02:07PM by adoylelb.

Not for a very long time if ever.

Cheryl's right. I remember in the paper a few years ago, I saw their temple in their Texas compound and they had certain rooms with beds presumably meant to be used as consummation rooms after polygamous sealings. It's a relief that the Texas law enforcement stormed the compound before these sex rituals took place.

With Joseph dead and Brigham in charge, the Nauvoo Temple was a busy place with people receiving their washings, annointings, endowments and sealings for the first time.

There were many who had already received those ordinances who continued to hang around the Temple uninvited and added confusion to an already hectic situation.

Finally Brigham had enough. He shut down the Temple for a couple days to reorganize and call specific people to officiate and take steps to regulate who belonged in the Temple.

From Heber C. Kimballs diary:

“There was a necessity for a reformation of this sort. For some men were doing things which ought not to be done in the Temple of the Lord. Some three or four men & perhaps more, had introduced women into the Temple, not their wives, and were living in the side rooms, cooking, sleeping, tending babies and toying with their women…”
William Clayton, Diary kept for Heber C. Kimball Friday, December 26, 1845

There is always speculation about “getting to know” your spouse in the temple as part of the early Endowment. It is still speculation, but for a while the Nauvoo Temple was a wild and crazy place.

It's nonsense. But they used to have guest rooms in the St. George temple for poorer people who had traveled. Like a hotel.

Obviously, many people who traveled to the temple were there to be married. So it only stands to reason that sex occurred in these rooms, but it wasn't done as an ordinance or anything like that.

My reference for this is in my wife's family history (TBM family) in which the young couple married in St. George after a one-week wagon ride, then stayed in one of those rooms.

from el dorado temple...

something tells me that they follow the original teachings of JS

much closer that what the tscc does but used to do.

http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/mormon_temple_bed.jpg

Not only is there a photo of the bed in the FLDS temple, there is a recording of Jeffs doing it with a teenage girl (age 14?) on that bed. It was used in court. I'll see if I can find the recording.

The deed ends with Jeffs and the girl saying amen.

Sick.

TG

It was a 12 year old girl!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024150/Warren-Jeffs-trial-Paedophile-gets-life-sentence-50-brides-photo-emerges.html

TG

What a horrid man!

So tell me about when in today's mainstream mormon temples a couple gets married...
They are kneeling across from the officiator and give each other handshakes on a large padded rectangular bench, right? I do believe this is a symbolic remnant of the bed that used to stand there like the FLDS have.

It creeped me out how it resembled a bed, the first time I saw pictures of it. I know it's NOT a bed, but really the symbolism of it is not that hard to see.

It's offically an altar and it's like any altar from a Christian church, except that it's padded rather than a hard surface covered with a cloth.

Sex in mormon temples is rooted in satanic rituals...or so some have purported. I'm no expert.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse

If it is in the temple is oral sex Ok?

Do the witnesses watch? Is NNNoah around with his camera??

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQCJ3KFfnUKz5rH_RspoYf0ovPmPwzreC-MVjWdV-htx130CRoYQ

This is a picture of a bed in the FLDS temple that was raided in Texas.

WARNING: Photos depict underage bride of Warren Jeffs. Adult content only.


http://imgur.com/a/KAvPc

Above: Warren Jeffs and his 12 year old wife.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2013 03:30PM by Senoritalamanita.

WARNING: Audiotapes may be disturbing. Adult content.

Here are the Warren Jeffs audiotapes, released by the Court:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52370086-78/jeffs-wives-tells-audio.html.csp

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EDITED by Senorita: Sorry, looks like the audiotapes were removed from the Salt Lake Tribune. Unless I am downloading them wrong.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2013 03:32PM by Senoritalamanita.

With the very private nature of the "marriage bed" in the teachings of the LDS Church, the LAST place they would give anyone a bed to "consummate" a marriage would be the temple.
It does not fit with the main LDS Church and their attitudes.

That Jeffs--nut case..probably would do something that ridiculous.

People do mix up the two different churches, and other splinter groups.

I doubt the Reorganized Church would institute that kind of nonsense either.

People like to tell "stories" (bold lies!) to see how gullible other people are and do it on purpose. Others just misconstrue information and make an assumption or honest mistake.

and WHY would such confusion ever persist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=butD2ubhknY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyXyxfAodtQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOjSvxS_Uno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLqS5V-FPKQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBHo76tEb5c

I sure do feel sorry for mainstream MORmONS when they get confused with those *other* polygamist groups!!!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2013 04:18PM by lucky.

Well, I for one felt that naked touching in the temple was also not even remotely consistent with Mormon teachings on morality, modesty, sanctity of the body, etc. The only thing I could think was, "Say what?" Then, I looked at all the uptight temple Mormons I knew and thought, "Really???"

So, I do not think it is valid to say marital relations could not have happened in the sealing rooms because that is so contrary to the "main LDS Church and their attitudes".

I think it highly unlikely that the Warren Jeffs stuff went on. But, plenty that goes on in the temple is directly contradictory to mainstream LDS teachings -- probably because it's all a silly mishmash anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f7GulQYtyE

so if the temple ceremony that included eLiza "I'm the prophet's ho" snow running around naked and getting banged like a bass drum had been turned into a movie, would that temple movie be considered pornographic ?

Bow your head and say "yes" !



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2013 04:17PM by lucky.

Warren Jeffs and his creepy voice ... so very disturbing.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/12/texas.polygamist.jeffs/index.html



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/09/2013 03:50PM by Senoritalamanita.

I can believe there are such rooms. Fucking mormons...Can only have sex with one partner...there is no living and enjoying life like that. I have found my true partner in life but it took looking and making mistakes to find the right person. None of this bullshit I have to get married at 18 to a returned missionary who doesn't know how to pleasure me. I would have to get out my vibrator if that were the case!

Sounds like a person I met that told me he knew for a fact that women in Utah that don't accept arranged marriages are thrown from the top of the Salt Lake temple into the great salt lake and drown.

There are indeed "Hotel Suite" like rooms in some of the temples for dignitaries and others that have to travel. In fact Tom Phillips tells of him and his wife staying in the "Honey Moon Suite" in the Preston Temple the night before his 2nd anointing.

His (& John's) statements/questions: No she wasn’t. It was me that invited her, and I then booked….and what we did
it was on a Sunday, which is an unusual so I actually booked…..funny thing was
I phoned the Preston Temple to arrange a room for us on Saturday night – I just
decided I wasn’t going to drive up there. Elder Ballard and Elder Hillam were
going by one of the Huntsman’s jets, they were travelling in that way, and I was
to drive up to the Preston Temple with my wife, and I decided we’d just stay
there – I mean what better thing than to stay at the Temple overnight, and end
up walking the grounds hand in hand just to prepare. So I phoned the Temple
just to book a room and as soon as I gave my name, they said “ah yes, you’re
here for the special occasion” and they booked me in. And when we got there, I
didn’t realize it, they gave us the honeymoon suite. They just treated us so well
– we had a honeymoon suite at the Preston Temple. I didn’t even know they
had such things.
In the Temple itself?
Well, there is accommodation actually at the Temple, and this was the
honeymoon suite that was reserved for us and I thought it was absolutely
fantastic. We walked hand in hand around the Temple grounds that night and
retired to our honeymoon suite, ready to get up the next morning for this very
http://mormonthink.com/tom-phillips-2nd-anointing-transcript.pdf

I don't think they have them in the mini McTemples or all, but I'm sure they're there for traveling GA's or others who have to travel.

So Olympia; you may owe him a sort of an apology, because there may have been and might be more consummations in these temple hotel rooms.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2015 01:40AM by dydimus.

Yes, it's nonsense and untrue.

BUT it's a handy way to try to get Mormons to reveal "sacred, not secret" things about the temple:

Q. Do you learn secret passwords in the temple?
TBM. Sorry, that's sacred. We can't talk about what happens in the temple.
Q. Do you covenant in the temple to give everything to the church?
TBM. Sorry, that's sacred. We can't talk about what happens in the temple.
Q. Is a newlywed couple required to consummate their marriage in the temple as part of the ceremony?
TBM: Oh no! That is not correct! That is an anti-Mormon lie!
Q. So it appears that you CAN talk about what happens in the temple, if it's to deny something that is false. I can assume then, that you DO learn secret passwords in the temple, since you did not deny it as false.
[etc]