https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/english/wwlt/hasten/PD50020824-member-progress-form-eng.pdf?lang=eng

There's even a handy little bar code down there to help the NSA, er, I mean the LDS keep track of you.


Resign now while there's still time.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2013 03:40AM by lulu.

You can see the churches priorities

Tithing is the first check box

Yes, they are.

But note the small print - the member is supposed to get a copy themselves.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2013 07:50AM by Stumbling.

I'd missed that.

But I'm still worried about that bar code.

Entered into a massive algorithmicly searchable data base. The next thing you know, the Relief Society President will be following your Facebook page.

If the RS President starts following my facebook, she will be in for a rude surprise. And if they ever make the mistake of following my twitter, they will lose the spirit pretty quick!

Rest assured, the Church knows how often people go to the temple because recommends have scanable bar codes.

Here's a thought, send a written request to the Bishop for a copy of all documentation held on you at local level and also at Salt Lake City. You'll be surprised at the response.

What would surprise me is if they agreed to provide all the information and sent it to me in a timely manner.

Is this what you suggest they do?

They'll reply that the information is owned by the corporation and not by you and that you can kindly f-off.

I could care less about any of those items on the sheet. It is a cult fair and simple, and this piece of paper reinforces their desire to control...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2013 08:21AM by smith.

I hope they get writers cramp and a paper cut on mine.

Every time the word strengthening appears on a Mo-doc, I get the shivers. That form makes me sick.

Imagine filling out this form every Sunday for six months. Imagine just one time stopping to realize what you are doing.
Tracking a human being's footsteps to the ten percent club.
On paper.

One second of honest reflection or conscience would send a decent cult administrator right out the door.

Oh, wait. Dreaming again.

But it could happen.

It makes me think of the Inquisition. Seriously.

I think if you did get re-activated you'd go in Bishop interviews and you and him would discuss which boxes he can tick, and make goals to tick future boxes.

The fact that they'll discuss it in ward council is the most unsettling thing, but really we're all probably getting discussed in ward council anyway.

True Story

"Hello Brother Stumbling, nice to see you."
"Hello Jim, how are you?" *Jim = Bishop
"Fine thanks, you've been missing Church lately."
"Well, I may have been absent from Church but I definitely haven't been missing it." *chuckles
"Oh, err, well, could I have a chat with you in my office?" *turns towards office
"No thanks, I'm good." *turns towards exit door
"Well, Brother Stumbling, I really need to have a chat with you to find out where you are up to."
"I know, you said. Thanks, but no thanks I'm good. See you." *Exits through exit door



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2013 09:44AM by Stumbling.

The Nazis would be proud of their efficiency.

Wait, wait wait ...

If you have been mormon your whole life, go inactive, and then decide to start coming back, you have to RE-TAKE the missionary lessons??? If you had the Melchizidek priesthood before, and just stopped going to church, you would lose it?

I HOPE that I haven't lost my priesthood...otherwise all those drunk baptisms I performed at a pool party will be invalid! Think of the loss of blessings!

As far as the discussions go, Mormons seem to think that if you miss too much church you get amnesia and forget everything.

This isn't new. The form is copyright 2009 - they've had these for a while.

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,931929,933612#msg-933612

I ran this by AnointedOne and this link is to his response. He says this has been going on for decades. On my mission which was full of leadership experiences and baptisms we did not use individual tracking documents and meet regularly with ward councils on progress of individuals, but it was not a traditional, white LDS ward.

What people need to know who have not worked for corporate America is that the data that can be collected, cross-checked, and refined is vast and amazing. I suspect that this is likely on or will be done on long existing software as a service (SaaS) programs. I share my hunch, because sometimes they prove right and I hope others will share their observations and insights. I am far removed from the operations of Mormons, but not my TBMs.

Even if you are removed from Mormonism, be advised that they may very well be tracking whatever information they can get about you in order to measure marketing and sales initiatives.

Social Media has become the dream of marketers and propagandists. The ability to target and refine markets and messaging is so detailed. They will run cost analysis on the ROI and then go after what works, and possibly adapt and adjust for the target markets that aren't working, but that they desperately want. Partial-member families or exMormon multi-generational Mormon markets are likely very valuable to them, if they could find a way to engage them and get them onto their side. I imagine Moridor and out-of-Moridor Mormons will also be key markets to analyze. We might see a push to get more Mormons back into the Moridor (Utah), in order to get the economics of being Mormon back in play for leaving Mormonism. If you look at 1900 SLC, Mormons did not do business with non-Mormons.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2013 02:23PM by gentlestrength.

It's funny how TSCC assumes a returning member knows next to nothing about the church, so they have to start teaching him/her with the basics-- such as the missionary discussions and enrollment in gospel principles.

In reality, we probably know more about the church than the bishop, and this extra knowledge is the reason we left in the first place.

I dont think they asume we forget...... its just policy to get those mind control tacticks going asap, because im sure studies show it helps them ensure more dollars. They do their homework.

It's specifically for "new or returning members" - apparently with the goal of keeping them on track and getting them to pay tithing and get to the temple.

I doubt this is used for anyone else.

But, nobody likes the idea of being tracked for any reason.

The form refers to new or returning members. I'm going to assume that they aren't going to fill out the form for those that haven't returned to activity.

I can't help but laugh that tithing is the first thing. Money, money, money.

Sadly this is how Mormons judge an individual's worth. Nothing in there talks about whether someone is a good person. Just their level of attending meetings (and paying tithing of course).

It was always about stats...sacrament stats...testimony stats....Quorum stats...Relief society stats... HT stats... VT stats... stats... stats...stats...lots of paper but no results.

+1. almost every calling is held accountable for their little bubble of responsibility, and tracked by some form of stats. Why else is every Sunday in EQ about home teaching? Why are bishops given a budget based on sacrament meeting attendance?(not sure if this is always the case, but I know it is some of the time, and maybe all of the time). Stats stats stats.

I dont know of any verse in the bible or BoM where the church is supposed to act like a business and treats its members as employees... Do you? lol.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/25/2013 06:06PM by likeaboss8821.

This just MORE busywork useless time-consuming paperwork for the poor overworked ward clerks to do. My husband has been one of those poor guys before...they didn't need more to do.

I remember thinking, when I was a TBM, that this church sure loved their forms and busywork, and was there NOTHING they didn't keep track of???

They better damn well NOT keep one on me! I resigned for good reason. That said, I'm sure the boundary-less busybodies would love to remind me that I can't ever really leave. Grr!

WHATS IT SAY?? All I get is a security notice & a bunch of code stuff! Looks like they dont want this out!!!

I REMEMBER ABOUT 6 YEARS AGO.After I made my 1st (failed) attempt at leaving. The RS. pres stopped by w/a form to fill out. Trying to be polite I took the form. Read it to my surprize it was quite personal! Employment, Health questions. And what really got my goat was they wanted all my perscription info. My Dr. name, The doese and frequency of all my emds!! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!! For opened minded people. this was just emergency meds like nitroglecerine or insilin for emergencies.everything + DRs name& #!!

PS Sorry. Im upset! should have proff read.What I ment to say was. THEY DIDNT Want just emergency meds!! like nitro or insilin!

I think the bar code is just a way to reorder the form from a printing factory in China.
Mitt was able to give LDSINC some pointers on how to fire people in the US and buy labor dirt cheap in China.
The fired people can then be replaced with volunteers or missionaries.
This is the free market as Romney sees it.
Isn't it wonderful?

"reviewed the principle of tithing and other worthiness matters..."

This right here shows their priorities. Why the law of tithing? Why not, "reviewed the principle of chastity and other worthiness matters..." since Mormons are so big on sex. For that matter, they could of mentioned the WoW, modesty, sustaining the leaders, but only tithing get's mentioned by name. All the other church rules are just "other worthiness matters." It reminds me of the lines, "and the rest," from the original Gilligan's Island theme song, referring to Mary Ann and the Professor, as if they were unimportant characters.

I could teach Gospel Principles course! But I’d have to be enrolled in it within the first month?
Family group sheet? What business is it of theirs who my extended family is???? I’d have to sit through the missionary lessons????

They are only concerned about making sure the brain freeze is re-downloaded. And tithing! By name!

Must understand that to be in the TSCC YOU MUST PAY TITHING!

It is all about what you can and will do for the TSCC, not what it will do for you…encourage, help with job hunt, etc. See if you’re happy and feel you have real friends in the ward you can call upon for a lunch date, a movie, a casual get together….naw, can’t have the rank and file members become friends who can depend on each other…then they wouldn’t feel they needed the church. They might get ideas and start thinking….Yikes!

The paper form is obsolete. everything like is available through the computer system MLS or through the leadership portal on LDS.org.

The same information is reported monthly to the stake and some of it is included on the quarterly report. If you are worried about what information the "church" is holding about you, just realize that the federal government has more. Any person with your name and birthdate can find a significant amount of information in public records.

They already have shown up at our door 3 times unannounced! One time 2nd counselor brought with him his teenage daughter he didn't like that I mentioned Zina Young and polyandry and his daughter said "is this true?". There is another inactive member on our street DH was his home teacher lol this guy hasn't been in church in several years and has made it clear that he is not coming back to church for anything.