So this is the first message to the Young Women of Zion from the new YW General Presidency:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765628808/New-LDS-Young-Women-general-presidency-members-present-first-public-speech.html

Telling a 14 year old girl her life should be about believing, obeying and enduring is Biblical-based misogyny, pure and simple.

To any lurkers with daughters in the YW program: Please consider removing them sooner than later. Many of us here can attest to the long-term negative effects this message can and will have on young women. It is NOT healthy.


One example of the doublespeak in the article:

"I think we want to help our young women understand that obedience is not restrictive, but that it brings blessings," Sister McConkie said. "Obedience does not restrict us or bind us down. Obedience expands our horizons and increases our capacity."

The Church of George Orwell of Latter Day Slaves.

Reminds me of the old story of the elephant and the chain. The elephant trainer shackles one leg of a young elephant to a chain linked to stake in the ground. By the time the elephant becomes an adult, it has more than enough muscle power to pull out the stake, but it doesn't because of its earlier experiences.

The elephant's mind shackles the elephant, not the chain.

Exactly. The shackles that will expand your horizons and increase your capacity.

The real YW program mindf**k is the constant reminder that perfection is the goal. Perfection, perfection, and more perfection.

I can only hope young women (and men) get enough exposure to life outside the church to motivate them in stepping back and questioning how this program of believe, obey and endure will shape their life.

Curious -- Mussolini's famous slogan was "Believe, Obey, Fight."

Obedience is not a virtue.

When anyone tries to tell you obedience is a virtue, they are
only trying to control you for their own ends.

There is no exception to this rule.

Not disagreeing with you but wondering about (good) parents with their children. I don't want my kids to blindly follow someone but what do you teach them? "You shouldn't have to obey someone, except me." I have been thinking about this a lot lately.

There was a funny part in Dharma and Greg when she tells her father who was a hippie : "Dad you always taught me to question authority." And his answer was : "I didn't mean me"



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You can't be stupid yourself or expect your kids to be stupid either. You raise children so they'll be capable of flying from the nest and living on their own in the world. They've got to have the habit of obeying you so you can develop in them the habits they'll need to live on their own and take care of others--their own family. But at the same time, you teach them NOT to obey others' attempt at mind-control. Obviously, you have to get deep and explain what they're to do and what you do, and why.

For example, they've got to learn to obey the law. Why? Because the law's the organization of society for particular ends. What if the law's unjust? They must change it; when they get to be adults, they're responsible for the rules that govern society. So, they obey the law, but not slavishly; and they don't pointlessly rebel either--unless they've got to in order to further the cause of justice. Good habits combined with critical thinking.

Humans are smart. It's a matter of education.

Geez, do those women know how to choose their own clothes? Believe, obey, endure? How about THINK??

ewww. I grew up with a family in the ward that literally did not allow their daughters to pick their own clothes. They had no say in what was purchased or what today's outfit would be. Their closets were used for general storage. They had to wear what their mother put out for them, end of discussion.

Believe us
Obey us
Endure us

After a lifetime of this, you won't mind a bit. You won't have missed out on anything. Your life will be much better than others if you follow this mantra.

Of course this is all a lie. If it were true, they wouldn't have to work so hard at indoctrinating it into every young mind. People would automatically see it for themselves and wouldn't need the church to drill it into their heads. They don't know that the people who make up these little mantras aren't inspired from God himself, but by their own desires. They have a iron in the fire that will give them some positive gain for thinking up the right mantra.

A McConkie and a Marriott? I wonder how they got this gig? Jesus sure likes to pick people from the big name, well connected LDS families.

Yeah, Jesus is through with the little people...they never really live righteously enough to you know, really earn His love. But McConkie with his special brand of racist hatred and Marriott selling porn and booze, now those are Jesus' people!

Every time the subject of obedience comes up, I try to convince people that obedience is overrated. Obedience must be supported by reason, and obedience to anyone who claims special powers from the invisible world is not wise. You give them the power to trick or mislead you that way.



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Do you really want to let 3 women in look alike outfits with lookalike hair cuts telling you how to run your life?

If looks like a bad airlines ad.

LDS Inc. is stuck in the 1950's (Exhibit #1 - that picture).

That's when the current generation of old geezers running the show were young and handsome.

How they long for the old days.

Quote: "Do you really want to let 3 women in look alike outfits with lookalike hair cuts telling you how to run your life?"

Touché!
;)

apparently those Stepford wives have never seen the movie they've cast themselves in.

I've seen more plastic looking Mormon women. My question is "Why are they all clutching their crotches?" Seriously, don't the body language books say that's a give away stance - protecting your personals? I wish I had time to google it.

This reminds of the girl I've posted about before who said that becoming a muslim made her feel "free" because she didn't have to worry about what to wear, when to pray, how to behave.....

Women who bring their arms in toward their body like they all are doing and clasping their hands the way they are doing is body language saying they want to minimize themselves.

The hand clasp is a sign of trying to protect themselves. The one on the far right however is also showing a big of a power tip with the fingers woven tightly. Also, she's the only one that isn't tilting her head. I'm guessing she's the one with the most money and the most say in her life.

I'm sure someone probably told them what to wear. They didn't all just show up in an identical outfit. The slight color change to show who's the top dog, and placing her forward and in the middle. Yet, she looks the least comfortable. It could be she's insecure about her weight, and she's not being allowed to hide behind the other two. She seems like she would like to. Also, she's the only one that has a jacket that's all buttoned up. Interesting metaphor. I could be completely wrong about all this, but it's how it looks to me.

As the church has needs EVERYTHING else is secondary at best.

the church's needs must be met as soon as possible.

while the members needs can be put off indefinitely !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6uRp_Jxdps

"Believe, Obey, Endure---what a sick way to live your life..I know I tried it once and it simply doesn't work. I am one of those mother/grandmothers who is supposed to be setting the example. You Young Women are free to be whoever you want to be...think,rebel, enjoy....and by all means dump the polyester suits!!

It is extremely unhealthy. My daughter is battling huge self-esteem issues amplified by this horseshit of a program.

Her Stepford leaders put up such a polished veneer (one had a business failure, one cheated on her husband and the third ended up going into rehab) while teaching her week afte week that happiness is found in subjecting yourself forever to a worthy male. It was the last thing on earth that she wanted to do, but her desire to obey created massive cog dis that she's still stuggling to resolve 10 years later.

Again, to any lurkers here or those questioning the church. Do not delay in getting your sons and daughters away from this trash asap. Every year is critical to their developement.



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Believe, obey, endure?
What's wrong with question, challenge, change course if needed?

Ironic that Elizabeth Smart is talking at the same time about how that didn't really work for her.