The Mormong church is abandoning the fight against gay marriage? Here's the article link:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/prop-8-mormons-gay-marriage-shift

Loved to hear they backed down. Unfortunately it took them being totally shamed because they're so prideful.

Is it true that the TSCC has changed tactics in an effort to improve their damaged image? Probably. They of all people understand that image is everything, even if it's made of paper.

The woman who wrote this article claims the church has changed for the better and she even added 'permanently'. WTF. How presumptuous. How the hell would she know? What an arrogant pronouncement on her part.

Did it ever occur to her that the church has done enough initial damage that it can now take a back seat for a while and pretend to be lilly white? The mormons were smart enough not to be at the Supreme Court Hearings is all. It is too late for people standing on the outside to have any effect at this point. It could only bring bad press.

This writer is now giving kudos to a church that regards their gay kids as having a 'horrendous moral challenge' which can only be atoned for by living a desperately lonely, unfulfilled life devoid of love, only two steps ahead of suicide. Permanent change for the better? What a dangerous idiot.


This is not a change for the better. Stephanie Mencimer who wrote this article either has her head up her ass or is a Mormon apologist.


The church stance on gays is as as ugly or uglier than it ever was. The fact that the great and abominable P.R. whore is putting a new spin on things changes nothing.

+100

AHHHHHHMEN!

Well, I think the church's turnaround is on the surface only.

Remember conference this past weekend?

"Just because the nation may change its laws to "tolerate legalized acts of immorality" does not make those acts any less spiritually damaging..."
"The permissiveness afforded by the weakening of the laws of the land to tolerate legalized acts of immorality, does not reduce the serious spiritual consequences that result from the violation of God’s law of chastity." "Tolerance is a virtue, but, like all virtues, when exaggerated it transforms itself into a vice. We need to be careful of the ‘tolerance trap’ so that we are not swallowed up in it."

-Senior apostle Boyd K. Packer - Saturday morning at the LDS Church’s 183rd Annual General Conference.



But... still...
even if it is only shallow pretending, they are taking off the pressure.

At least they are not telling parents to kick their children out of their houses.

At least they are starting to lay off the heavy pressure a bit.



But boy does that article show some mormon doosies.... wow...

Becca Wrote:
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> At least they are not telling parents to kick
> their children out of their houses.
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Too bad, many LGBT kids have been kicked out, and some of them are now living on the streets.

I know... believe me I know.

And the whole article makes me want to hurl really in a way. It shows some really nasty sides to the church even of it tries to be positve.

But if just one young person is not kicked out into the streets... that is a good thing.

There's plenty more wrong.. but not being kicked out of your family home is at least one less thing wrong..

I know quite a few hardcore TBMs say that if the church starts supporting gay marriage they're leaving the church. Said you know the prophets have lost their inspiration when that happens. LDS is damned if they do and damned if they don't!

Stephanie Mencimer underestimates the mormon ability to find sneaky, back door, quasi-legal ways to affect public policy while pretending to be "neutral."

Hiding behind a Catholic front is one way. For example, after getting the National Organization for Marriage rolling along well on the intolerance track, shift mormons out of the top NOM positions and put other religious leaders in to take the flack. Meanwhile, mormon money and mormon organizational skills can still be used to back NOM in less public ways.

Make sure you invite your new Catholic friends to BYU to receive a few awards.

If you want to take advantage of mineral or water rights on a Native American Reservation, campaign to place only mormon converts on tribal councils. Then have said councils approve the rip off of tribal resources by mormon-owned companies.

Want to have a public street in Salt Lake City sold to, owned by, and controlled by the mormon church? Stack all levels of local and state government with mormons, (preferably white guys that are church broke).

Do you need cheap water rights for your new mormon-owned subdivision? Go straight to your mormon-contolled water board and tell them what you want. Ask and ye shall receive.

Want to run a dysfunctional "school" in the Salt Lake area when you only have a high school diploma, like Warren Jeffs did before he moved to his system of abuse and anti-education to Hilldale/Colorado City? Encourage mostly mormon legislators to pass laws that give private and charter schools a pass when it comes to many regulations and inspections.

Excellent job of blowing away the smoke and smashing the mirrors.

I agree with above posters about this writer. She writes, "Mayne was only able to take on his leadership role in the church after he broke up with his long term partner and became single again." And she doesn't think this is horrendous? I am thinking about his poor partner, crying and alone, not understanding why the man he loves chose a ridiculous manmade religion over him. What a bunch of crap!

I believe their new strategy is to "Love the sinner, hate the sin" if we go by the Facebook group Mormons Building Bridges. Unfortunately for said group, many are now realizing just how truly insidious they are, especially LGBT, and are running not walking away from them. This, I believe is the new Mormon tact to support a veneer of acceptableness.



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"A veneer of acceptance" is a very good description of how they are handling it. No way do they really accept it, it's all just social pressure making them act the way they are. This is exactly how they handled polygamy and institutional racism. All these things go to prove that the concept of "continuing revelation" is bogus. IMHO, there are and never were any such things as prophets/seers/revelators, and they are proving that fact every day. Less strident opponents than me at least have to admit that current leaders are not prophets.

They are taking a more quite stance, but the doctrine has not changed.

It helps to be familiar with this statement put out in 1995--

THE FAMILY A Proclamation to the World.

https://www.lds.org/topics/family-proclamation


More detailed explanations of doctrine can be found here..
http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?locale=0&sourceId=45af9daac5d98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

The doctrine, earthly and eternally is strictly male and female in all instances, including marriage.

It's apparent they are backing off spending money and talking about same sex marriage, etc. It it clear that it has not solidified the members, but done just the opposite.