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Posted by: dogeatdog ( )
Date: March 22, 2013 02:30PM

I recently posted about the LDS author Ken Bowers, and his book 'Hiding in Plain Sight'. I also posted about the Freedom First Society. I asked if this was 'a Mormon thing'.
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,823747,823747#msg-823747

I have since come to learn a bit more info. about these issues.
Apparently Robert Welch (a 32nd degree Mason) was the founder of the John Birch Society. There were many accusations that this organization was just a puppet for the Mormon Church. After he died, a man by the name of G. Vance Smith took over. He was LDS. He was in leadership for about 14 years, and then resigned and formed Freedom First Society.
In his (Vance Smith) words in the press release, he resigned because 'there was a coupe from within' to take over the John Birch Society. Others however said that G. Vance Smith was removing those in leadership and replacing them with LDS members.
Point is, this dude was the founder of Freedom First Society, and I'm wondering how much actual association this organization has with the LDS Church. Is this just another way for the Church to get non-members to side with them politically? Or even to groom people for joining the Church?

I feel like the Church is so deceptive! This whole conspiracy about the 'New World Order' as discussed in LDS author Ken Bower's book, and then the Freedom First Society (formed by someone who is LDS), etc. It all seems a little fishy to me... But, maybe I'm just being a conspiracy theorist...?!

Thoughts?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/22/2013 02:30PM by dogeatdog.

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Posted by: Tupperwhere ( )
Date: March 22, 2013 02:32PM

this is interesting. I will have to think about it. There def seems to be some sort of link between the two.

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Posted by: Suckafoo ( )
Date: March 22, 2013 02:53PM

Mormonism is less than 200 years old, yet they have become politically influential in relation to how big they are. If they say 2 percent of the US population are Mormon, they sure have a large influence and lots of money and investments for such a small group. I see them like a beast with lots of feelers that wrap around many things, some visible and some not so visible. I have a feeling they have such an immense wealth and involvement that their church part is a way to keep getting a tax free flow of income without having to even try. It keeps coming in large envelopes from each stake monthly to Salt Lake (wire). I also believe they don't even need it. If the church crumbled they would still operate and survive even without it though it would be a big hit. I think they are dangerous. Call me a conspiracy theorist. There are a lot of people who think they are a harmless little cult and I hope they are right. I do believe parts of their power operates in the shadows and many people are fooled and contribute to something very dangerous due to their willful ignorance. There are people getting rich and powerful off Mormonism. Money is said to be the root of all evil.



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Posted by: dogeatdog ( )
Date: March 22, 2013 03:38PM

I really tend to feel the same way. I think as you say, parts of their power operates in the shadows and many people are fooled, or can't really pin them down.

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Posted by: friend of Robert Welch ( )
Date: July 14, 2013 04:29PM

dogeatdog Wrote:
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> I recently posted about the LDS author Ken Bowers,
> and his book 'Hiding in Plain Sight'. I also
> posted about the Freedom First Society. I asked
> if this was 'a Mormon thing'.
> http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,823747,82374
> 7#msg-823747
>
> I have since come to learn a bit more info. about
> these issues.
> Apparently Robert Welch (a 32nd degree Mason) was
> the founder of the John Birch Society. There were
> many accusations that this organization was just a
> puppet for the Mormon Church. After he died, a
> man by the name of G. Vance Smith took over. He
> was LDS. He was in leadership for about 14 years,
> and then resigned and formed Freedom First
> Society.
> In his (Vance Smith) words in the press release,
> he resigned because 'there was a coupe from
> within' to take over the John Birch Society.
> Others however said that G. Vance Smith was
> removing those in leadership and replacing them
> with LDS members.
> Point is, this dude was the founder of Freedom
> First Society, and I'm wondering how much actual
> association this organization has with the LDS
> Church. Is this just another way for the Church
> to get non-members to side with them politically?
> Or even to groom people for joining the Church?
>
> I feel like the Church is so deceptive! This
> whole conspiracy about the 'New World Order' as
> discussed in LDS author Ken Bower's book, and then
> the Freedom First Society (formed by someone who
> is LDS), etc. It all seems a little fishy to
> me... But, maybe I'm just being a conspiracy
> theorist...?!
>
> Thoughts?


The John Birch Society has no more connection to Mormonism than it does to Catholicism, Protestantism, or Judaism. Leaders in the JBS have come approximately proportionately from all of these faiths. What members of the JBS have in common religiously IS religion, and the respect of others' religious beliefs.
The Executive Directors (CEO, whatever) have included fundamentalist Protestant, traditionalist Catholic, standard Mormon, and mainstream Protestant, with conservative Jewish and modern Catholics and Protestants in the next layer of leadership. While the JBS is based on universal religious principles, it is not an organization of any religion.
Yes, the "purged" executive leadership of several years ago included Mormons, but the dissatisfaction of their leadership had nothing to do with their religion; it was largely because of misdirected functional policies and poor personnel management. Besides being a "movement" , the JBS is also by necessity a business. And a business cannot survive if it is run in an unbusinesslike manner, and that includes the treatment of employees.
The John Birch Society remains the last best hope for the survival of liberty in this world. Support it, or Nikita Khruschev will ultimately be proven right for saying that your grandchildren will live under communism.

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Posted by: tapirsaddle ( )
Date: July 14, 2013 04:36PM

I needed a good laugh today, thanks!

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Posted by: 2+2=4 ( )
Date: July 14, 2013 06:18PM

is that they are white and delightsome.

Pretty good compatibility with Mormonism there, I'd say.

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Posted by: tapirsaddle ( )
Date: July 14, 2013 06:31PM

Are you sure about the delightsome?

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Posted by: CrispingPin ( )
Date: July 14, 2013 07:15PM

C’mon, get with the times. Having an irrational fear of communism is sooooo 20th century. Having an irrational fear of Islam is the cool, new thing.

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