just a little stat I came up with to point out that the greatest growing church that will fill the whole world really isn't.

So when god comes and burns all those that haven't paid their tithing it's gonna be an awful big mess.



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...(and some other religions) is the exclusivity of it. Yeah, they say they want to redeem all of humanity. Not really, though. Otherwise member missionary programs wouldn't be such failures. But, golly, they get the happy buzz of "knowing" they will be among the very few to be allowed into VIP lounge at Klub Kolob. They're going to be the cool kids in Heaven. What's the point of that if billions of others are there, too?

I rolled in the hay with a hermaphrodite.

S(he) was from Alaska

Proof that there are herms all over the globe

My father was an OB/GYN so I know a bit about this -- there are no true cases of hermaphroditism in humans (born with fully functioning sets of both male and female sex organs) but there are not-so-rare-as-you-might-think cases of intersex people born with ambiguous genitalia.

Current Number of Mormons In The World: 14,441,346
(http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/facts-and-stats)

Approximate frequency of intersex births in the general population: 1/1500 - 1/2000

Current Estimate of the Earth's Population: 7,068,107,933
(http://www.census.gov/population/popclockworld.html)

So, even using the low estimate of 1/2000 intersex births this means that 3.5 millions of humans have some kind of intersex condition.

But just how many Mormons are there? How many are active in the church? According to a 2008 study, 1.4% of the U.S. population self identifies as Mormon:
(http://commons.trincoll.edu/aris/files/2011/12/Mormons2008.pdf)

According to Wikipedia, approximately 2/3 of Mormons in the US are inactive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Less-active_Mormon) so this would mean that only about a third are active in the church. Using the LDS fourteen million member figure this would mean that only about four and a half millions of Mormons are actually active members.

So, the number of intersex people and the number of actual active Mormons is roughly the same.

I remember reading elsewhere that the rate was 1/1000, anyway I think the point hits home because most TBMs think the condition is pretty rare, along with putting how these people are saved on their shelf, so to point this out makes them think.

one corollary question, if God created our spirits in male and female form, what about these poor souls, why did he make them a question mark?

As I recall, she had an undeveloped penis and testes. Unable to get an erection etc... Had a vagina.

This was a late-night, drunken encounter after a pick-up at the local tavern.

She said she didn't have the $50,000 to have it removed

It appears that the obvious cases of intersex people (people exhibiting signs of both male and female external genitalia) are roughly 1/2000. But the not so obvious cases (one where the external genitalia looks more or less fine but doesn't match up with the individual's chromosomes or internal genitalia) could go as high as 4%.

"The vast majority of intersex people have genitalia that look pretty typically male or female with a small minority having atypical genitalia....

It would be more accurate to state simply that in hospitals with gender assignment teams, 1 in 2000 infants is born with genitalia that are so atypical that the attending physician requests the help of the specialists in the team to assign a sex. Most hospitals in the world have no gender assignment teams and most intersex people have typical genitalia. One should be careful to note that even in the majority of births with atypical genitalia, the doctor does not request any assistance from a gender assignment team even if one is available. Therefore, one can readily see that this figure gives the impression that intersex is very, very rare. It isn’t!

There are so many different intersex conditions that it is very hard to give a statistic at this time. A more accurate estimate is given by Sharon Preves, Ph.D., author of Intersex and Identity: The Contested Self, who has researched the topic of intersex very thoroughly. According to Preves, “The frequency could be as high as four percent.' "

http://www.dso.iastate.edu/lgbtss/library/intersex



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Good question about how many Mo's are Hermaphrodites.

I wonder how that works for them when they don't engage in sexual activity before marriage. Suprise...I'm not who you think I am. And the Mormon church isn't all about Jesus could all come down in the same day on the brides wedding day. Talk about stress.

I have a young friend, 19, who has been introducing me to the LBGT community. He identifies as intersex and has already had his breasts reduced for a better feel for him. He first said he was a hermaphrodite and then explained it to me.

He has attended the ward here and has met this man >> Bruce Jessen .. : http://mormonism-unveiled.blogspot.com/2012/11/bruce-jessen-resigns-as-lds-bishop-in.html.

My friend, I will call him Phil ..has helped me understand many areas of the community. I have spent hours with him going over information I have gathered here. Phil actually thought Bruce was a pretty damned nice guy, I consider him pretty darned damned.

Getting factual information out to this group of people I have met has been both challenging and wonderful. The 3 inactive Mos I have met who identify LGBT did not have the real story about the church position. They are young. The have helped me grow so very much. All of us are NA/AA btw.



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