Saddly, I think my great grandfather Hugh B Brown coined this for a Mormon audience - "Educated Heart."

In doing my lunch time Internet wandering I saw this term - "Educated Heart." It is also an unreleased pro-Mormon movie circa 1970.

Some Mormons are bound to start using this in fighting Satan. It is their only recourse. I don't think the ignorance of the masses can be as relied upon as it has been in Mormonism's past. Eventually, they will spin how the Book of Mormon was really translated, Joseph Smith's different First Vision versions and his version of polygamy. They will do this I believe with some term like "Educated Heart" or some other strange marriage to include the people currently defending the morg with their "Educated Hearts."

I sincerely hope it doesn't happen. The delta between a Mormon apologist, a GA, and a Mormon nobody is getting smaller daily.

Call me Prophet Berry from now on.

My heart is a pump for my blood. All my education goes for my brain. I started with getting some tools for it like learning how to think rationally. No use setting your brain to task willy-nilly without the proper tools. If you did, you might believe religious BS or something.

I predict there will be a two-pronged approach. They will
continue to replay the old stories (although couched in
plausible deniability language) while admitting things like
polyandry and the rock in the hat. They will keep publishing
those pics of Joseph and Oliver at the table with the plates
and the ones of JS with the U&T etc.

They have been forced into admitting a lot of things that were
formerly "anti-Mormon lies" because information is now too
available. Their approach to honesty and openness is guided by
Packer's observation that "some things that are true are not
useful." They now are becoming more open and honest because
now that approach is useful to them--not for any other reason.
They stonewalled it as long as that was useful, now they, like
Nixon, are going for the "modified, limited hang out."

Of course it takes a LOT of spin to put out the truth when the
truth is so clearly against you. So expect a lot of
"revealing" ENSIGN articles that admit a bit here and there and
spin it into dizziness. But at the same time expect a lot of
the usual pablum articles on Church history.

baura Wrote:
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> They have been forced into admitting a lot of
> things that were formerly "anti-Mormon lies"
> because information is now too available.
...

Followed by Stage Two, in the inevitable devolution:

Admitting that a period has elapsed in recent years
when they were in the process of admitting a lot
of things that were formerly "anti-Mormon lies"

Stay with me on this one -- for we see something of
a parallel in the 2013 Fox News dilemma of either
retaining "experts" like Dick Morris, or admitting
that their counsel consisted of lies. And then, if
that first admission is made, their also admitting
that the corporation's new change in direction has
come about because of the need for admitting such stuff.

A scary, dangerous thing to do, when the structure you
live and function in is really a house of cards.

UD

<They have been forced into admitting a lot of things that were
formerly "anti-Mormon lies" because information is now too
available.>

Examples?

They're currently denying:
- Racism
- Misogyny
- Eternal Progression to Godhood
- Getting your own planet
- Polygamy in the CK (at least to the general public)
- Homophobia
- Blood Atonement
- The Adam-God theory
- JS's incorrect translation of the BofAbraham
- responsibility for the Mountain Meadows Massacre

and many more.

I'd love to know what they have admitted to.

They'll just keep using the same old excuses:

1. limited light and knowledge in the past
2. Society wasn't ready for (_______) back then
3. I don't know that we taught that
4. Oh, that's just folklore
5. Oh, that's just hearsay
6. That was a long time ago, so it doesn't matter
7. Present prophet trumps past prophet
8. He was speaking as a man
9. They took that out of context!
10. It's not important to our salvation
11. It's a "mystery." We'll understand it in the CK.
12. It's an anti-Mormon lie
13. Well, I've never heard that taught!

I heard some rather "prophetic" words from your great-grandfather back in the day.

Ours was one of several missions he was touring, and during a casual after-dinner chat at the mission home, he said:

"Let's not lose the shepherds while we are gathering in the sheep."

He was referring, of course, to the shift to push the missionaries to get as many baptisms as possible, no matter what the cost.

Unfortunately, the message didn't faze my mission president.

King Brigham I Wrote:
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> He was referring, of course, to the shift to push
> the missionaries to get as many baptisms as
> possible, no matter what the cost.

If the powers that were had listened and taken him to heart where would LDS Inc. be today?

Instead they shamed him by not keeping his calling in The First Presidency after McKay's death.

Smith was a cantankerous old a-hole from what I hear and his successor Lee wasn't better.

There is only one answer to the Catch-22 the Mormon church faces as their facade crumbles.

They must no longer teach that there is an unchanging truth and they are the restorers of same. Soooo, this must be REFRAMED to a restoration of the role of a prophet. They cannot emphasize the restoration of an early Christians church (which is so off I can't even go into it)...because they didn't have a prophet and NT says he was the last one.

So it will become "other churches are carried about by the whims of society but we have a living prophet."

They must no longer bar non-tithe-payers from weddings. Of all the noxious things they do, this shows the entire world that they view even their own members as scum if they don't pay up. It is a serious mistake.

The latter is the more difficult because there is no reason for many people to pay tithing (since they secretly don't believe). They must be able to attend family weddings and avoid the shame of being left out. Just like a deacon boy is humiliated if he admits masturbating, a family member will be thought to be breaking the word of wisdom, failing to pay tithing (best) or guilty of sexual sin (worst) if he is not able to attend a wedding.

Their stats show that where they install temples, tithing goes up. No one likes to be shamed and people love to demonstrate that they are part of an inner circle.

When you think about it without anger, you realize that getting young people to plan marriages in the temple is all about getting their moneyed parents to pay up. Barring other types of ceremonies around a temple ceremony to include them is "discouraged."

They do make exceptions, by the way. I was a home-owner single woman with four boys joining the church and marrying a Mormon. Not only did they give me money, the church allowed me to wear a full wedding dress and march down the aisle of the ward building in California with all my relatives present. They made it a missionary opportunity.

I think it was a decision based on the same factors that influence all business decisions-- there was more to gain than to lose by getting me married to a Mormon.

It was a death sentence for one of those boys, the oldest has disappeared , the third is insane, and the fourth is a raging alcoholic.

Before he died, my son told me everything was "fine" until I joined the Mormon church. Just sayin'


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anagrammy Wrote:
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> There is only one answer to the Catch-22 the
> Mormon church faces as their facade crumbles.
>
> They must no longer teach that there is an
> unchanging truth and they are the restorers of
> same.

Hinckley alread started the spin on this "more truth."

> The latter is the more difficult because there is
> no reason for many people to pay tithing (since
> they secretly don't believe). They must be able
> to attend family weddings and avoid the shame of
> being left out. Just like a deacon boy is
> humiliated if he admits masturbating, a family
> member will be thought to be breaking the word of
> wisdom, failing to pay tithing (best) or guilty of
> sexual sin (worst) if he is not able to attend a
> wedding.

Mormons have take "The Myth of The Happy Family" to unheard of and cultist extremes. They bank on this world-wide tribal and pervasive myth that blood ties mean something metaphysical. I doubt they will ever allow non-card carrying members to attend sealings. They might break the legal with the "spiritual" like other places but that will be as far as they go on this one - in my opinion.

Their video story of Joseph Smith's first vision went something like this: Joseph was praying (the screen shows a bright light that fills the whole screen) and had a profound spiritual experience that changed his life.

That was the whole story in their movie for the public. It didn't show what he saw, but only stated he had a profound vision.

Maybe things will be spun something like that, leaving each member to believe whichever version (or a blend of all of them) he wants.

JamesM Wrote:
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> Maybe things will be spun something like that,
> leaving each member to believe whichever version
> (or a blend of all of them) he wants.

They will gradually move from educating minds to hearts. It will be a MadLibs religion - fill in the blanks with whatever you want to "educate your heart."

Joseph Smith translated The Golden Plates with ________. They could care less about the noun, and they will focus on the verb "translated." Can't have the founding "seer" be no "seer" at all. That would be educating their minds.

I have noticed some very drastic changes lately. First off they talk about how Jesus is their Savior in their testimonies. At testimonkey meeting 5 DIFFERENT TESTIMONKIERS SAID IT! And they have rock bands becoming popular and gay Mormon BYU campaigning. They are normalizing slowly but surely into mainstream religion. I shouldn't even say. "Slowly but surely". "Rapidly" is more like it. Very few even said they know JS is a prophet. Like maybe 3. I think they are going to take that out of testimonies. My prediction.



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suckafoo Wrote:
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> I think they are
> going to take that out of testimonies. My
> prediction.

That will be the day. I disagree. I think Jesus Smith worship is still strong in the morg.

Time will tell. I still predict they are distancing from prophets of old. I see it happening all the time the new party line being "that was history and doesn't matter". It is happening in the ward and in my husband's family.



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Educated heart ?

How come all educated brains find out that TSCC is a fraud ?



"educated heart" is merely a euphimism for TSCC controlled emotions.

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> "educated heart" is merely a euphimism for TSCC
> controlled emotions.

They have yet to use it and I'm just predicting they will and it might be called something else.

They are playing catchup with my great-grandfather just now and he was in power in the 1960s.

They will just subtly change the story and claim that it is what they've believed all along.

They are doing it now.