"Editor of Web Site May Face Mormon Excommunication"
by Laurie Goodstein,
"New York Times"
21 September 2012

"The editor of a Web site that encourages Mormons to question Church history and doctrine has been told that he faces a Church trial and possible excommunication because he is an apostate who is trying to lead Church members astray.

"David Twede, a fifth-generation Mormon who lives in Florida, is the managing editor of MormonThink, one of the most influential of the many Web sites on which active and former Mormons debate church teaching. Such sites have drawn increased traffic as Mormons turn to the Internet to find answers to controversial questions about Mormon history and traditions that the Church does not address.

"The Church has come under heightened scrutiny with the presidential candidacy of Mitt Romney, a Mormon who once served as a bishop. The church went through a spate of public excommunications of prominent scholars and feminists in the early 1990s, but in recent years public excommunications of dissidents have been rare, Church experts said.

"Mr. Twede’s situation was first reported on Friday by the Web site 'The Daily Beast,' which suggested that Mr. Twede was being disciplined because he had posted several articles on MormonThink critical of Mr. Romney. . . .

"Michael Purdy, a Church spokesman, said in a statement, 'It is patently false for someone to suggest they face Church discipline for having questions or for expressing a political view.'

“'Church discipline becomes necessary only in those rare occasions when an individual’s actions cannot be ignored while they claim to be in good standing with the Church,' he wrote. 'Every organization, whether religious or secular, must be able to define where its boundaries begin and end.'

"Scott Gordon, president of the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, an organization in Redding, Calif., that defends Mormon theology[i.e., the Mormon apologetics outfit FAIR], said that he had forwarded materials posted by Mr. Twede to Church officials in Salt Lake City.

“'It has nothing to do with Romney,' Mr. Gordon said. 'I know members very high up in the Church who are voting for Obama.'

“It’s about him posting on a blog that he was actively in there trying to subvert people’s beliefs in the L.D.S. church,” Mr. Gordon said, using the shorthand for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"Philip Barlow, a professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University, said that other Mormon bloggers had posted negative articles about Mr. Romney without any repercussions from the Church.

“'You wouldn’t be called to a disciplinary council for criticizing Mitt Romney,' he said. 'You would be called for doing harm to the Church.'"

("Editor of Web Site May Face Mormon Excommunication," by Laurie Goodstein, "New York Times," Religion Section, 21 September 21, 2012, at: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/us/web-site-editor-may-face-mormon-excommunication.html?_r=1)
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C'mon, now. Who actually believes that finely-spun sophistry (not counting reflexively-obedient-true-believing Mormons)?

When David and I were communicating recently about getting his situation with his local LDS Church leaders some major national media exposure, he referred me to some of his postings on MormonThink.org--the ones that have led to excommunication plans arranged at his expense.

These links included:

--Romney's Mormon/Non-Christian view of God:

http://www.mormonthink.com/christian.htm


--The history of the Mormon Church's entanglement in politics and the possible implications that history might have for a Romney presidnecy. (This one was described to me by David as "[a]ctually the article that seemed to piss them off"):

http://www.MormonThink.com/politics.htm


(For further background on how this incident developed into a national story, see: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,644285,644285#msg-644285)


Let's get real, folks.

Posting critical, historically-sound analysis (as David most certainly did) about Mitt Romney's non-Christian view of God and about the LDS Church's history of entanglement in politics is viewed by the paranoid Mormon Church as doing harm to, um, the paranoid Mormon Church.

This is a potential biggie.

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(related RfM thread at: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,646049)



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Could this story be on the way to 100's of local papers?

Since most local papers basically just reprint the NYTs, then yes that is what it means. I imagine it getting major traction outside Utah, where the church is seen in the same light as the Scientologist.

So much for my silly posts about twitter. Nice work Steve and others.

As much fun as this is to watch, I hope Dave doesn't suffer for his honesty.

awesome. way to go steve, and all others who helped david achieve this well-deserved publicity. let's just hope it continues and reaches as many of the "honest in heart" as possible.

How many people will go to the MormonThink site and read about all the things TSCC has being trying to hide!

This is great news!

"“It’s about him posting on a blog that he was actively in there trying to subvert people’s beliefs in the L.D.S. church,” Mr. Gordon said, using the shorthand for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

What exactly do the missionaries do again??

OK, I literally can't stop smiling. A big day for those who are stand for truth, those with integrity, those who have the courage to do what is right. :)

I can't stop thinking about all the people who will hopefully be going to mormonthink.com and and learning the truth. While it's a bummer for David, it's a good thing for getting the truth out I think.

absolutely

Anyone wondering where Romney gets his awful timing need look no further than the GA15.

They've made the last 45 days of the campaign the ANTI-MORMON MOMENT!

I may revisit my belief that there is no god.


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> I may revisit my belief that there is no god.

Aha! It *is* a belief! {jk}

Funny line. The whole thing is completely delicious, isn't it? It must feel like divine justice for so many exmos.

David mentioned getting the call from Jon or Bill.

If anything he's done will get that, it's god's dick. (aka, Elohim's "godhood" as David put it)

See at the bottom of his blog.

http://mormonthinkblog2012.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-mysteries-of-gospel.html

That's funny. And you're right. Number #3 is enough to get him on the show.

"A History of LDS Politics" was posted on 9/12. And then a mere 4 days later, they've already decided to hold a church court?

That is fast. Goes to show what kind of material the church feels really, really defensive about. What the posting implies is that Mitt will just be a puppet for his wizards behind the curtain in SLC. No wonder.

"Scott Gordon, president of the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research, an organization in Redding, Calif., that defends Mormon theology[i.e., the Mormon apologetics outfit FAIR], said that he had forwarded materials posted by Mr. Twede to Church officials in Salt Lake City.

“'It has nothing to do with Romney,' Mr. Gordon said. 'I know members very high up in the Church who are voting for Obama.'

“It’s about him posting on a blog that he was actively in there trying to subvert people’s beliefs in the L.D.S. church,” Mr. Gordon said, using the shorthand for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."



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>>>"Philip Barlow, a professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University, said that other Mormon bloggers had posted negative articles about Mr. Romney without any repercussions from the Church.

“'You wouldn’t be called to a disciplinary council for criticizing Mitt Romney,' he said. 'You would be called for doing harm to the Church.'"<<<

Doing harm to the church, eh? So if Mitt were to achieve his goal and then do something to "harm" the church, would he get a call from TSCC headquarters to cease and desist? Isn't this kind of lording of power over its members that a lot of people are worried about when considering if they want a Mormon as the most powerful leader in the world? If Mitt is beholden to Mormon leaders who want to control what members think, speak, and write, where does it end?

Are the rich and powerful exempt? Is it only the little people who are subject to the scrutiny and judgments from their TSCC leaders? Apparently, the MormonGod is (still) a respecter of persons.

now.... I wouldn't be surprised if this was postponed.


If there's Anything the PRMorg can't tolerate, it's questionable press.

they claim that the things they do are 'inspired', but We Know the Score.

Yep, probably postponed until the second Sunday in November.

I haven't been on here for a while, but I decided to check out the forum after I saw a link to the Daily Beast story on Fark. Public excommunications due to questioning authority make the church appear more and more like Scientology. The morg seems entirely clueless about PR since Hinckley bought the farm. This in no way can generate posivite press in an election year when a mo-bot (extra emphasis on the bot part for Willard) is running for president.

That aside, I call total BS on this quote:

“'It has nothing to do with Romney,' Mr. Gordon said. 'I know members very high up in the Church who are voting for Obama.'"

Obama supported getting rid of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and has publicly stated his support for gay marriage.

Those two actions alone have alienated Obama from any TBM support. I have never met a priesthood leader with the rank of bishop or higher who would vote for someone openly supportive of gay marriage.

Perhaps I'm being unfair, but I have not seen any evidence to indicate otherwise. I have an uncle who was refused a temple recommend by his bishop because he was asked about gay rights/marriage during a recommend interview (definitely NOT part of the script) and he gave the wrong answer.

Fantastic!

This story seems to be showing up everywhere. I don't think they have the balls to ex him.

I guess we'll find out if the morg really has rules or if it's a malleable, political machine just making decisions that maximize profits.

Just smiling away here in Florida. Go David!

;o)

I'll bet that he knows some black mormons also.

“They said that they need to protect the flock from the Antichrist, from an apostate.”

Protecting the flock from the Antichrist? Give me a break. How does Twede keep from laughing during these interrogations?

A lot of mormons I know in Idaho call Obama the Antichrist.

I'm predicting that this election will be OVER by the time that David Letterman show hits the West Coast on 11/6, with Pleasant Dreams for the 47%.

say Goodnight, Mitt.