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Posted by: southern idaho inactive ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 07:18PM

For 1st time, gay marriage may win statewide vote

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/21/14011601-for-1st-time-gay-marriage-may-win-statewide-vote?lite&ocid=msnhp

Is the morg even trying to stop this like they have in the past??

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Posted by: rationalguy ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 10:10PM

I think the TSCC will avoid entering this fray. Once burned twice shy! They may covertly encourage opposition by members, though.

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Posted by: xyz ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 10:15PM

Mormons Inc. are trying to spend money in Maine to kill this.

They are experiencing GREAT difficulties, however, because their fully-owned anti-gay subsidiary, the National Organization for Marriage, got themselves in so much legal trouble over their involvement in the last piece of marriage equality legislation in Maine that they still don't have the balls to show their faces in public up there.

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Posted by: xyz ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 09:41AM

jackamormon Wrote:
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From Wikipedia:
Disclosure Violation Allegations
In March 2009, [Fred] Karger filed a complaint with the California Fair Political Practices Commission alleging that the National Organization for Marriage was established by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in order to direct church funds toward the passage of Proposition 8.[96] A church spokesman and NOM's then-president Maggie Gallagher both denied the allegations.[97]

Accusations by Karger also lead the Maine Commission on Governmental Ethics and Election Practices to schedule consideration of an investigation.[98] Maine laws require that organizations which solicit more than $5,000 for a ballot question campaign file disclosure reports.[99] NOM has contributed $1.6 million to Stand For Marriage Maine, as of October 23, 2009, without filing any disclosure reports.[39] The commission approved an investigation on a 3–2 vote, overriding the recommendation of their staff.[100] NOM responded by filing suit, claiming that the state's election laws violate the Constitution.[39] NOM used the likelihood of their suit's success as an argument to obtain a federal restraining order which would keep them from having to provide donor names before the date of the election; the request was turned down by federal Judge David Brock Hornby.[34] In January 2010, representatives of the group were subpoenaed to appear before the commission. In February, the group requested that those subpoenas be dropped, but the commission voted unanimously to deny that request.[101] On May 23, 2010, Judge John H. Rich III of the U.S. District Court of Maine ordered NOM to submit bank statements and similar documentation, covering the dates from January 1, 2009 forward. The documents were to be submitted to Maine's Commission on Government Ethics and Election Practices within seven days of his ruling.[102][103] On June 24, 2010, the commission rejected NOM's claim that the commission lacked appropriate authority and should thus cease the investigation.[104] In February 2011, Hornby issued a summary judgment ruling Maine's disclosure law valid, which NOM appealed and lost in August 2011.[105] In September 2011, the federal court denied NOM's request to have the case reheard,[106] and in February, 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected NOM's request to hear the case.[107] In January, 2012, NOM lost another federal appeal on a different aspect of their Maine case, but said that they would take that to the Supreme Court.[108][109]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Organization_for_Marriage#Stand_for_Marriage_Maine

I think that while they can, the cult is going to spend what it can through NOM wherever it can. But they seem to have taken a particular interest in New England, and my thought is that it is because N.E. is a block of states that, despite being a fraction of the total U.S. population, still holds considerable moral-ethical influence with the rest of the nation.

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Posted by: MJ ( )
Date: September 21, 2012 11:03PM

It seems a lot of money that was available in years past is not available this round.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Gay-marriage-supporters-raised-1-7M-in-August-3857157.php

In Washington State, supporters of gay marriage have raised over 7 million, those apposed? Just over $500,000 .

NoM is making a bid deal out of donating 250,000 to fight the Maine initiative, but seems unable to match the funding in the other states. I think they have little to give, so rather than split it up sending smaller amounts to states like Washington, where it would do little good, they are sending it to one state where they think it will make a difference.

I just have to wonder why the big anti-gay marriage money is sitting on the sidelines this round.

And yes, I am sure the morg knows about this.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 02:55AM

My guess is that the Morg got its clock cleaned in bad PR after
the California Prop 8 fiasco where it was publicly revealed that
Church Co. footed most of the bill with Mormon money from
Outside of Utah.

Now they want to make sure that nobody says "the Mormons are at
it again."

Besides, there's a good chance they would lose in Maine.

I suspect that the main motivation for the Prop 8 involvement
was to have a high-profile partnership with Catholics and
evangelicals to help the mainstreaming. "See, we're just like
you."

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Posted by: Levi ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 01:16AM

Having grown up here in Seattle, I always felt like we were kind of ..... I dunno ... uncool.

(Can you imagine how I felt about Utah?)

But I'm thinking we are some pretty damn hip folk!

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Posted by: BadSheep ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 04:36AM

It makes me so proud to be living in Washington. I really feel like we're gonna pass this thing! I even got my allergic-to-politics-slightly-right-leaning husband register to vote so he could help pass marriage equality.

I have been donating to Washington United for Marriage, which is the group working hard to get our Ref 74 passed. I think to date they have raised $8 million toward passing the ref, and the anti side has raised $800,000. Hopefully that is an indication of where the public opinion stands.

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Posted by: forbiddencokedrinker ( )
Date: September 22, 2012 06:46AM

It looks like it will pass in three states; Maine, Maryland, and Washington, according to the article, and possibly a fourth Minnesota.

Truth be told, I think the ground has shifted enough in the last couple of years, that marriage equality would win in California if it came up again there, as well as in several of the other thirty States that have had votes on this so far.

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