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Posted by: southern should login ( )
Date: August 19, 2012 08:40PM

Guys I just learned that so called "creation science museums" are an actual thing and now there's one in my city (or soon to be). Check this out, http://creationmuseum.org/

Now, they seem to be teaching the garden of Eden was in the Middle East which I'm sure Mormons would have beef with, but the rest of it seems right up their alley. The dinosaur bit is both hilarious and sad, "Biblical history is the key to understanding dinosaurs." Take caution though, exploring this website will cause your brain cells to deteriorate (and I say this as a Christian!)

I would love to know what you all think of this and if you've ever heard of or been to a "museum" such as this!!

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Posted by: xyz ( )
Date: August 19, 2012 08:55PM

"I would love to know what you all think of this [...]"

Creation museums reinforce to the rest of the world that they were right to do it when they offloaded their tired, their poor, their huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of their teeming shore and sent these, the homeless, tempest-tost to America. The smart ones stayed home.

"[...] and if you've ever heard of or been to a "museum" such as this!!"

Yes I've heard of them. When there is no other news to report, the NYT regales us with rumors of yet another one "discovered" somewhere in the hinterlands. If I ever were able to get inside one I would most certainly be unceremoniously thrown out within a matter of seconds.

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Posted by: mr. mike ( )
Date: August 19, 2012 10:14PM

"Guys I just learned that so called "creation science museums" are an actual thing and now there's one in my city (or soon to be.)"

Welcome to the wonderful world of Bible Literalism! Watch as history and science are bent to fit a 2000 year old book!

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We have one of these in an industrial park located in the quasi rural Santee-Lakeside area 30 miles from downtown San Diego. It was formerly attached to the Institute for Creation Research (which itself was in a cramped office building back in the 1980s.) ICR dumped it, another pseudoscientist bought it, and now they have 7500 sq. ft. to BS the public.

http://creationsd.org/index.html

Come by soon to see crazed Australian Creationist Ken Ham rant about how Tyrannosaurs were vegetarians or some other nonsense!

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Posted by: suzanne ( )
Date: August 19, 2012 10:21PM

I am constantly stunned at the amount of money, time and effort people go through to prove their lies... How utterly stupid.

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Posted by: southern should login ( )
Date: August 19, 2012 10:59PM

This is insane. I mean, I grew up Southern Baptist so I'm familiar with the concept of taking the Bible completely literally, but I just had no idea the extent to which people would go...

I found a critique of the "anti-museum" by a man who went through the whole thing. There's too much insanity to quote. The term mental gymnastics comes to mind

http://ncse.com/creationism/general/anti-museum-overview-review-answers-genesis-creation-museum

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Posted by: roxy ( )
Date: August 19, 2012 11:09PM

wow not heard of these.... the phase only in american springs to mind, but i could be wrong :0)

I don't get what they are teaching though, maybe I'm not looking at the right parts of the site, how do they explain dinasuars and whats the truth about antibiotic resistant bacteria etc???

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Posted by: xyz ( )
Date: August 19, 2012 11:37PM

You'd be close - only in America EXCEPT for one whackjob in the Netherlands who built what he says is a replica of Noahs' Ark (seriously, that one is open to b.r.o.a.d. interpretation, lol!), and filled it with plastic animals...

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Posted by: rbtanner ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 12:06AM

Yes, unfortunately "Creation Museums" exist and I remember Ken Hamm pushing this slag on so-called "christian radio". knowing some science, I'd roll my eyes and tune it out, as there used to be better fare on these stations.

Now "christian radio" is little more than continued Young Earth Creationist stuff and earnest arguments about how the first 12 chapters of Genesis MUST be taken literally. That and the constant babbling about Abortion and Homosexuality as if those were the ONLY two issues that counted. What really sticks in my craw is the urging of BACs to vote for Romney, because he supports ending women's reproductive rights and gay marriage, even though he has an "odd religion".

I am of the position that if something isn't done to challenge these people, there will be NO future for this country!

Sorry for the rant.

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Posted by: Camara ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 09:29AM

Oh Ken Hamm is the best! The Monty Python of scientific argument! He reads a fact about evolution that scientists have agreed on for decades and chuckles before he says,"We know that is not true because in Genesis it says..."

Certain people of faith NEED Ken Hamm. He speaks in slow, simple prose and reassures the faithful that despite the reams of scientific evidence, the decades of study and the irrefutable proof found in the simplest of nature studies, it can't be true because, duh, it isn't in the Bible and God put ALL truth in the Bible!

He does a parent's job of reassuring folks with lots of fear and no capacity to be educated. He turns on the light and shows them the space under their beds. "See love? No dinosaurs. God drowned them with the flood because they disobeyed his command to climb aboard the ark. Now you go to sleep."

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Posted by: Camara ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 09:33AM

PS Agree about Christian radio. I once heard a chat show and two women were discussing breast cancer. I stopped what I was doing and sat down to listen. It was a miracle! Christian radio discussing an issue that was so important to women and NOT abortion and homosexuality? WOW!

Ooops. They were discussing abortion as a cause for breast cancer. Refuted by the medical community but boy will it inflict some fear and guilt on the subservient sex.

Thanks, sisters.

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Posted by: farnk ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 01:48PM

Um, are you reffering to the museum that you've linked because you're a bit behind the ball, it's been there for years now...

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Posted by: southern should login ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 03:06PM

The museum that I linked to is the one in kentucky, and I don't live near kentucky. But the other day on the highway I saw a billboard with a dragon on it that had creationmuseum.org on it. This is when I learned that these exist and that one would be coming to Atlanta (which is close enough to where I live to be completely horrifying)

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Posted by: Outcast ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 01:55PM

The worst part is they have more time & money than brains + they procreate.

"Rednecks with Money"

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Posted by: Scott.T ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 02:00PM

http://www.ohnopodcast.com/investigations/2012/3/1/ross-and-carrie-unearth-creationism-eye-muscles-dont-think.html

Excellent and entertaining podcast where they go check out the Creation Museum.

I like Ross and Carrie's tag line regarding their pseudoscience and religion investigations; "We show up so you don't have to."

Also FYI - for anyone who might not know, in addition to shows on Scientology, Sikhism, Raelism, etc, they did a pretty good two part show last year where they met with the Mormon missionaries and eventually got baptized ... for the cause!

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Posted by: skeptifem ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 02:23PM

It isn't much of a museum because no one actually does any academic work in the back end of it. That is generally what museums do. Creationists seem to think a museum is nothing but a bunch of pretty displays.

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Date: August 20, 2012 03:08PM


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Date: August 20, 2012 03:32PM


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Posted by: mr. mike ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 04:31PM

"It isn't much of a museum because no one actually does any academic work in the back end of it. That is generally what museums do. Creationists seem to think a museum is nothing but a bunch of pretty displays."
- skeptifem

You are right, but the original Institute for Creation Research version of the museum was a couple of small rooms* within the ICR building. And let me add that the ICR itself was a dinky outfit in the 1980s, being the second story of a small office building somewhere in Mission Valley, San Diego.

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* Which was a complicated cross-section of Noah's Ark under glass, some timelines, and other basic displays. The ICR itself had a simple lab, a couple of classrooms, and some small faculty offices (because ICR did a combination of post-grad "work" and straight "research.")

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Posted by: The exmo formerly known as Br. Vreeland ( )
Date: August 20, 2012 04:41PM

Happily I didn't have to pay to get in, I wouldn't have gone if I had. The amount of utterly asinine garbage that was shoveled onto the stage was mind-boggling. Fire-breathing dinosaurs, humans hunted them to extinction, humans used to ride them around like horses, the Loch Ness Monster as proof that evolution is wrong (see, dinosaurs still exist!).

The scariest part was the audience. I thought the place would be empty with the exception of a few elderly die hards. Sadly no. The place was PACKED! At least 300 people in a small high school auditorium. I was 29 at the time and not even close to being the youngest in the room. Several families with their young kids were there. Depressing. Shocking. Stupid.

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