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Posted by: Ex-CultMember ( )
Date: December 13, 2010 10:23PM

What is your definition of a TBM? It seems like there might be vast disparity on people's beliefs on what they are. For example some posters will claim you can't change a TBM's mind. They will NEVER leave Mormonism. While others, such as myself, considered themselves TBM's at one time, but were able to see the light and leave.

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Posted by: Ex-CultMember ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 02:12AM

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Posted by: koolman2 ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 03:07AM

"It's true and nothing will change my mind. Anything negative will only cause my testimony to strengthen."

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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 03:29AM

So TBMs can change their minds. But they have to be willing to listen and think. They won't change their mind unless or until they're ready meaning they're at a crossroads and are open to change.

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Posted by: anagrammy ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 04:48AM

I'll have a crack at that-- how about someone who has been shown Mormon-sourced proof, agrees with the conflict/lies/impossibility and continues to say "Still, I believe the church is what it claims to be..."

(which is another one of their weasling plausible-deniability public relation firm answers)

(don't know why that particular answer pisses me off so much)

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Posted by: think4u ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 10:05AM

I have one daughter that I refer as a Nazi mormon to my friends. I mean she and her hubby are sooooo TBM it frightens me. If the profit asked them to kill their first born son, or any of their children, I have no doubt they would do it. It is scary, honestly, how deeply they are indoctrinated, just more proof of serious cult tactics. I do realize not all mo's are this deep into it. Thank goodness- my other 4 kids are far more relaxed about it all.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/14/2010 10:22AM by think4u.

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Posted by: fedup ( )
Date: December 15, 2010 03:05PM

It hard to believe you would say that about your own kid, TBM or not.

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Posted by: ExMormonRon ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 10:07AM

True Blue Mormon

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Posted by: DNA ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 10:47AM

I'd lump all TBM's into a category of people who really believe the whole JS story and think that it's Jesus' only church, and they give a good effort at playing by the rules. They would feel a lot of guilt when they don't play by the rules.

I think that they can be further broken down into Robert Kirby's Five Kinds Of Mormons list. Liberal, Genuine, Conservative, Orthodox, and Nazi.

I call myself (When I did believe) a TBMish. I believed, and tried and tried to live it, but it was just too hard. I did it to try to stay out of hell, but didn't like it. I thought I had to do it, but didn't want to do it.

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Posted by: fearguiltpromise ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 12:36PM

My definition for "TBM" is...Truly Brainwashed Mormons!!

You can't change a brainwashed Mo's mind, but you can help them start to snap out of the brainwashing with cognitive dissonance. The biggest way to confuse a TBM is to show them that life as an exmo isn't what we were always taught it would be. Personally, DH and I are in a better position than ever before, money, happiness, closer relationships with our children, love, friendships, etc. (Definitely not listed in order of importance)

This is a direct contradiction to what is taught about falling away.

Also, help your Mo friends and family with their brainwash-breaking progression with this: Anytime you hear them complain about anything church related like: meetings they have to attend, the battles of keeping their kids quiet during SM, having to leave their inept 10 yr old in charge of their 1 yr old because the YW President says, "It's too disrupting to the spirit when you bring your children to tuesday night activities" yet there are no babysitters to call because they are all attending said tuesday night activity, you can say to them, "Some plan of happiness, huh? And I thought this was a family centered church."

Cog-Dis, Baby!!

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Posted by: Suckafoo ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 03:19PM

I think of my husband as a TBM and he never goes to church. I will tell you why. No matter what evidence is thrown at him he refuses to believe it. He believes the church is true 100% no questions asked, no reasoning with him on anything. He will die believing it's the only true church on the face of the earth, he believes I am going to outer darkness because I knew the truth and rejected it. He doesn't have the discipline to follow it, but he will never deny it or question it.

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Posted by: Brother Of Jerry ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 04:13PM

Not that there aren't more than just a few Mormons who are deluded.

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Posted by: Suckafoo ( )
Date: December 15, 2010 12:27AM

Then I need a good name for him. What is he?

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Posted by: Just wow ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 04:19PM

TBM - someone who suspends disbelief all day every day usually because some gullible great grandparent walked from Illinois to Utah.

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Posted by: forestpal ( )
Date: December 14, 2010 04:22PM

That is their behavior, no matter what they believe, no matter what they say.

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Posted by: Cristina ( )
Date: December 15, 2010 02:30AM

I like the definition created by Eric Hoffer who coined "True Believer." My definition of the True Believer Mormon would echo his, those who participate in mass movements "to escape a flawed self by creating an imaginary self and joining a collective whole." True Believers sacrifice the self for the group doctrine.

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Posted by: Suckafoo ( )
Date: December 15, 2010 08:01AM

That is soooo good! Another little tid bit for me to tuck away and use at opportune times.

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Posted by: cricket ( )
Date: December 15, 2010 10:21AM

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Posted by: Comfortably Numb ( )
Date: December 15, 2010 10:29AM

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2010 10:30AM by Comfortably Numb.

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