Before going, we talked about people dying of starvation. I know I know, cliche, but these kids don't hear about it with their TBM mom. They hear, "pray, pay, obey and don't be gay". Of my many kids, only my teen daughter remains somewhat TBM. The younger ones seem to want out.

The most telling stat, if true, is the "every 3.6 seconds someone dies of hunger".
http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm

http://www.wfp.org/hunger/stats/

Also,
http://documents.wfp.org/stellent/groups/public/documents/communications/wfp220221.pdf

Which says, "...$3.2 billion is needed per year to
reach all 66 million hungry school-age children. Of this,
US$1.2 billion would allow WFP to reach 23 million
children in Africa."

We discussed how all this would take is for every American to give up one pizza per year and the 66 million hungry kids could have food. How the Catholics could sell a few artifacts each year out of the thousands they have and almost perpetually feed these kids. Or the Mormons could donate 30% of their tithing/offerings income and feed all the hungry kids currently in the world.

I didn't comment, yet, on how instead the Mormons use their money. My kids did discuss it briefly as we parked the car subterraneously to the Mormon compound.

Upon arriving at the north ground entrance of city creek mall, the first thing my kids noticed was the blast of cold air flowing through the large open doorways leading into the mall. My daughter commented on how wasteful and hurtful to the environment this is.

We toured the storefronts and noted that the opulence is staggering by most standards. That the kinds of stores they have there are meant for the 1% types. For example, in the one end, they had an cul-de-sac of Rolex, Tiffany, Porsche Design, Nordstrom, etc. I bet my daughter that the cheapest watch in the Rolex store was $5000. We went in and asked, and sure enough a woman's watch was the lowest at $4800. She began to crack at that point.

She began bad mouthing the church and how it could possibly build such a place when there are hungry children and what kind of charity would do that.

I just smiled.

We stopped after that my son bee-lined to a store that has 4S iphones. He played for a while and then texted me on the two iphones in the store.

I sent back a little txt about how the money-minded mormons are a self absorbed cult. He thought that was funny. He even suggested that others should text the phones with the same message. If anyone is interested, the numbers are 8two40301/8two45796 (SLC area code). I'm not promoting that you send ex-mo messages. I just thought you might want to know. haha



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I was very disappointed yesterday to find that ascot ties and cravats are not sold at Macy's or Nordstrom's.

I will have to go to the mom and pop formal wear place on South Temple to look like an unapologetic pimp on a yacht.

If you need to borrow my mint 82 Lincoln town car, just holar. It's an original with only 72k miles. I also took the cane when I stole the car ;)

Gawddddddd......

EVery time I hear about the mall, it just angers me...

#@%$#@!@@

It really angered me too at first, that God's 'true' church would spend so much money on a mall, but now I feel gratitude- it was the beginning of my way out. I ask my Moron family and friends how any church could justify building something like that and I get no response, just blank stares. I think the mall will help many people realize the truth about this cult.

My tbm mother in law went there while visiting this past month. She was there with sil and sil was wearing shorts. She commented that she had never been to a mall that had security gaurds policing people about a dress code. They told sil that her shorts were too short and in violation of the dress code.

I told mil that the mall was church owned. Speechless for a second, then she came back with well she smoked outside and they didn't say anything. My response, Maybe they didn't see her.

Wait, they have a dress code? Like seriously?

They seriously do, short shorts are not permitted. They say that "anything that is detrimental or inconsistent with a first-class, family oriented shopping centeris prohibited."

http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/story/Controversy-brewing-over-City-Creek-Center-dress/tI91DuAiSU-mHGpPWGsg0Q.cspx

Wow my husband and I were going to go check it out when we were up there last weekend. Good thing we didn't, all I had was short shorts. How ridiculous can they be?

I wear short shorts. Count Prophet can blow me.

I don't think I'm their "type of peoples" anyways...

You should go in your short shorts and bakers cap. Make sure you tip your cap at the security guard.. :)

That's hotness right there. I don't think them security guards could handle it.

You're probably right. They would be overwhelmed, begin to weep, and throw themselves at your feet. :)

I was in SLC last week and was so close to wearing a tube top to the mall last week when I visited for the first (and probably only) time. I chickened out at the last minute. I probablt would have gotten kicked out!!

It's an odd place. My TBM relatives are bothered by how "high-end" it is. At least there's an H&M, even if only a few of their designs can be worn by mormon women.

And as an aside, wtf is that weird bronze animal sculpture doing in the courtyard sort of near Cheesecake factory? It's ugly as sin, has a bunch of seagulls on it, and a bear and an eagle and some river otters. Truly hideous. And that hyped up Bellagio "dancing fountains" feature is teeny -- not impressive ar all.

Also laughed a lot at the women wearing spaghetti-strap or strapless sundresses with t-shirts underneath.

My unemployed for more than a year sister now works at one of the finer establishments, and we were talking about how she likes her job. She likes it fine, but what she hates is that she would have to pay $100/ month to PARK! This is not Los Angeles, people! Talk about an inflated ego, SLC!

Anyway, she used to date the nephew of a GA, I can name names, but I won't, to protect her privacy. Anyhow, nephew lives in same building as GA, and let's my sister park there for free.

I told her that mall parking for employees is free if she moves to CA. But of course, she thinks her knight in shining armor is just around the corner. Considering where she works, she will likely find a sugar daddy who is already married, who will buy her Rolex watches and Tiffany baubles, in Exchange. Ugh.

I can literally see Christ running through that mall smashing windows and knocking over display tables.

>>"Any activity or conduct, which is detrimental to or inconsistent with a first-class, family oriented shopping center (is prohibited.) Management’s interpretation of these Rules of Conduct is conclusive and binding."<<

How wonderfully vague. This says in a nutshell: "If WE don't like what you look like, we'll throw your @$$ out."

They would let you in with your burqa...

Oh, and what do you think would happen if Marie Osmond showed up in shorts?

Nothing.

Anagrammy

PS. I was criticized recently for making a post comment about the mall and I said that in my mind, all religious discussions end at the Mall. You just can't get around the un-Christlike mall. They might as well have built a phallus and named it Mammon.

It is being followed by mass defections and most people credit those to the internet. I would like to ask what drove people to the internet recently? Yep - austerity measures for the average Joe Mormon--no help for the widow--coupled with ostentatious pandering to the wealthy elite explained as "urban renewal."

anagrammy Wrote:
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> You just can't get around the un-Christlike mall.
> They might as well have built a phallus and named
> it Mammon.

I Love this comment!!

This is too easy.

The Mormon Church advertises itself as the church which was restored to make it more accurate--to restore the temple ceremony to it's original version in Solomen's temple (yeah, I know, but stay with me...)

It claims to most closely resemble the First Century Church, implying that Jesus presided over an organization which resembles the carrot-sticking patriarchal monolith we have which sucks the financial wellbeing out of every person and hounds them all the way to the grave for donations.

OK, then. Show me where the apostles and disciples ran a little biz near the temple where they sold the in-kind donations for a prophet, then invested the money in a little olive farm here, and a fig tree grove there--all to help the poor and support their church?

NO THEY DID NOT. Instead, Jesus said not to worry about buildings because the Kingdom of God is within you.

Imagine what Jesus would have said if they had hidden the funds and not told anyone how much was donated and BOUGHT loaves and fishes for the hungry multitudes, telling Jesus everything was fine, they had it under control...

and all the WORTHY listeners would receive loaves and fishes. Before giving out anything, they would have to shut Jesus up so that they could conduct worthiness interviews.

And finally, Jesus complained loudly and often about the awful priests who kept people who were poor from attending the temple. That's right--he kept sending the sick, who were barred, after he healed them, and condemned the Jewish priests for keeping people out because they couldn't pay for an offering.

I rest my case.


Anagrammy

I had no idea that Christ had an opinion on malls.



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> I had no idea that Christ had an opinion on malls.

he had an opinion on wealth, anyway. I am sure you can work out how it is related to the extravagant mall.

So, according to his opinion on wealth, malls are a sin?

"We discussed how all this would take is for every American to give up one pizza per year and the 66 million hungry kids could have food."

How exactly would that pizza get there? Would people mail it?

snb Wrote:
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> "We discussed how all this would take is for every
> American to give up one pizza per year and the 66
> million hungry kids could have food."
>
> How exactly would that pizza get there? Would
> people mail it?

It is probably more about the cost of the food than the actual food itself.

Peter singer wrote a book called "the live you can save" about different tactics to solve problems like hunger. I don't think the pizza-per-american thing is exactly accurate, but the spirit is certainly in the right place- people would need to sacrifice surprisingly little to solve the problem of hunger, but fail to.

"I don't think the pizza-per-american thing is exactly accurate, but the spirit is certainly in the right place"

And that was sort of my point. If we are going to focus on teaching our children to think beyond their religion, we might as well go with something more accurate.

If we are going to go with the "spirit" of doing the right thing we might as well be paying fast offerings and tithing again.

That's my take at least.

320 million US americans X $10 (avg price of a pizza) = $3.2B, which is the estimate given for school lunches by the WFP.

Of course, my kids understood immediately that I was not intending that people mail an actual pizza. I suppose it could be taken the wrong way if I am not completely specific in my language. Thank goodness my kids understand me or the postal service would have tomato paste all over some envelopes.

I'll be sure to make it clear next time.



snb Wrote:
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> "I don't think the pizza-per-american thing is
> exactly accurate, but the spirit is certainly in
> the right place"
>
> And that was sort of my point. If we are going to
> focus on teaching our children to think beyond
> their religion, we might as well go with something
> more accurate.
>
> If we are going to go with the "spirit" of doing
> the right thing we might as well be paying fast
> offerings and tithing again.
>
> That's my take at least.

Did you see the ATM from First Bank of the Caymans?

The scriptures say that it would be easier to find a needle in a haystack than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven.


The scriptures also say that "by their fruits, ye shall know them."


Then there is that little story of how Jesus ran the money changers out of the holy temple. Well, OK, technically speaking, Jesus wouldn't have to do that in this situation because the money changers are only on the doorstep of the temple, and not actually inside the building. But still...


Somewhere in the scripts, I do believe that Jesus commanded his followers to take care of the poor, the widows, the disabled and others.


Oh, yeah, and wasn't there some kind of comment about large and spacious worship centers in the opening pages of the Book of Mormon...


Yeah, there might be a lesson or two to learn from City Creek Mall.

It sounds like you can BUY clothes there that they will throw you out if you actually WEAR there. Wouldn't that be good for a laugh.. "But I just BOUGHT these clothes right over there Mr. Thought Police Security Guard! Are you telling me I can't WEAR clothes in this mall that I BOUGHT in this mall?!"

The more I know, the angrier and sadder it makes me. I'm not sure I could stay calm if I were to visit downtown SLC now. I mean, the sheer weight of abominations is staggering - you have the SLC temple with everything masonic oozing from every nook and cranny, then down the street is the Great and Spacious Mall...and all under the name of Jesus.

If it makes you mad, don't shop there...

Yahoo email has a texting option..

People need to wake up and smell the coffee (and drink it, too)! There is a even greater monster of a conspiracy that has ONE of it's claws in the Mormon Church (among many other places) and that's the Illuminati. Look it up and find out for yourself how they rule the world from behind the scenes and how they soon plan to wipe out 2/3 of the wolrd's population. The City Creek Mall is not where all the money REALLY went....it really went into building the huge bunker UNDERNEATH the mall. And don't think it's there to save YOU and YOUR family. You and I are not invited to survive.

Here's the link for the truth about City Creek Mall.....

Mormon Illuminati Underground City?



Shelter Price Military Model: $160,530,800 U.S. DollarsThe above "military grade" underground bunker can hold 2,000 people, up to 60 months worth of food, and has its underground power system. It also has its own air/water purification system and guaranteed to protect against nuclear, chemical and biological agents. The total cost is 160 million dollars (Source).


The Mormon Illuminati funded "City Creek Center" project, with a budget that could be as high as $8-10 billion, has very little investment going above ground (source). Probably staying pretty close its $300 million dollar initial budget. Which means that one of two things is going on:


1. Its a money laundering operation with a construction project as its front. In which case, some vigilant citizen could make millions of dollars by reporting it to the Internal Revenue Service (They pay a 10% finders fee on any uncollected income taxes).


2. The Mormon Illuminati have partnered with the Mormon Church to build an underground city for the coming apocalypse.


I believe that the underground city makes more sense, considering how the project is being financed. According to President Gordon B Hinckley:


"We are now working on a major undertaking in Salt Lake City. It is imperative that we preserve the environment around Temple Square. This makes necessary a very large construction project. Tithing funds will not be used for this construction. The income from Church businesses, rents on the property, and other such sources make this possible." (Source)


Yet, in another statement he proclaimed that income from Church owned businesses would not sustain the Church for a very long time. (Source) This makes it highly unlikely that Church Investments are still behind this now multi-billion dollar development.


Which indicates that the multi-billion dollar project is now being funded by mostly private donations. This money would come from Mormon Illuminati familes like the Eccles (Federal Reserve, Planned Parenthood, Eugenics and Gay Rights), the Marriotts (Gambling, Pornography and Alcohol), Mitt Romney (Olympics Cover-up, Hedge Funds, Neocon) and others.


The Illuminati are bringing about their "age of Lucifer" through destroying the current world order and building a new one on its ashes. Their program includes massive depopulation through:


1. World War III: A conflict between Islam, China and Russia vs. the United States, Canada and Western Europe.


2. Biological warfare.


3. Chemical Warfare


4. Nuclear Warfare


5. Economic collapse & Race Riots


Considering the amount of havoc they plan on unleashing on the earth's surface, an underground city in downtown Salt Lake makes a whole lot of sense. Before the cataclysm, they and their allies in the Mormon Church are raptured and disappear to their "retreat". Meanwhile, MWMs (Mormons Without Money) are learning for themselves the truth about God's existence as they prepare to meet their Maker.

My 13 year old daughter who has been TBM and did not like discussing the church with me in the past, after this past couple of weeks (catalyzed probably by the CCM trip described here) declared as I drove her back to her TBM mom that she no longer believed in Mormonism.

After the mall trip, she had questions. We had discussed Joseph's "marriage" to 14 year old Helen Mar Kimball. I let her read the story on mormonthink and she was disgusted.

I'm very pleased with her desire to open her mind. I just hope she can deal with living with her TBM mom now.

Only one of the five children is left. The yet-to-be baptized 8.5 year old son. He doesn't enjoy church very much and is ambivalent about being baptized except as it will alleviate him from being pestered by TBM family.