you know how you always hear them say "i want to get married in the temple so i can be closer to god" or "if i do the right things and listen to the spirit,go on a misdion,get married in the temple i can live with heavenly father again" it always seems like their treating it more like a goal in life. i mean yes i would like to get married someday but thats not something im completly focased on at the moment.

I think it's a goal. That's the way I felt, anyway.

Yes, it's a major goal. It is one of the REQUIREMENTS to get into the Mormon Celestial Kingdom of Heaven, and to be a god or a god's wife someday. A temple marriage ensnares you (and your money) in the cult for life. Your wife, in-laws, even future children can manipulate you with the "families are forever--unless you are unworthy"--baloney.

The Family--the cult's greatest weapon.

Yep. For us girls in any case.

Finding a man that will 'lead you into holy temple marriage' was the goal to achieve.

Nobody bothered to tell me what the hell I was supposed to do afterwards...

It's not a goal for women; it is their sole life purpose.

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> It's not a goal for women; it is their sole life
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Yep, this is pretty much what I was taught weekly in young womens.

My DD participated in a scholarship competition as a senior in HS (Pleasant Grove HS). All the girls competing were smart, the cream of the crop. Each girl gave a brief talk on her goals and ambitions. These girls were amazing. Then, right on queue, each girl ended her talk with a version of "...but nothing is more important than getting married in the temple and being a great mother."

When my mother said evening prayers with my two little sisters, she always included references that the lord should help them so that when they grew up, they would "get married in the temple to a returned missionary." She did this to these girls every night from the age of 5 or 6 (at least).

I think it's sick to do that to little girls - let them be children, for chrissakes...

It does not SEEM like it. It IS their ultimate goal in life.

TSCC even talls teenagers and single adults that one of the questions to evaluate one's own worthiness is whether or not they are working toward getting a temple marriage.

Any religion that preaches abstinence makes marriage a goal for their young members. If they push it or not, teens and young adults want to do what their bodies want to do and a lot of the ones who want to stay 'clean and pure' are going to do whatever it takes even if it means marrying the first person who is willing...

The mormons do take it a step further making it a requirement (but only in a temple) for the best spot in heaven.

It IS a goal in life to them.

It was a goal of mine and I didn't even want to get married or have kids when I was younger. But the Church told me to want it, so I did.



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There is no other religion that I know of that makes the PLACE where the marriage takes place more important than the PERSON you marry or WHEN you marry.

There is, however, the reward of The Virgin. As I see it, the temple marriage is the method used by Mormons to hook the men by making the women (sex) the carrot.

Boys are taught they MUST go on a mission--where their will is broken through standard brainwashing techniques like isolation, sleep deprivation, insufficient nutrition, torture via bugs/heat/overwork. Once the will is broken the person is willing to teach people doctrine they don't believe and which has made them miserable. They are even willing to take the few resources starving people have and send it to Salt Lake.

Why? For the respect of their society, otherwise, no Virgin.

The church has also been indoctrinating the waiting Virgins that they must be 1) Sex-free because you can't be wasting it on those non-missionaries, and 2) there really is no number two. Virginity is it, so you get a lot of stupid virgins who have absolutely nothing else going on except for what's not going on in their lady parts. The main indoctrination for the rest of their lives is also simple "hold on to the iron rod" or "stay with us" and that their rules/laws control our blessings, the good things that happen. Bad @#$%& comes down--well, that's our fault.

And thus another family becomes hostages to their vows and the (man-made) laws upon which the blessings are predicated.

It is up to us, the apostates who have awakened to this manipulation, to warn the others still in the Matrix by showing them that here we are dancing outside with our blessings clearly NOT the consequence of obeying some "law" Mormons made up.


Anagrammy

Bravo~~~~

and the thing is, LDS Inc wants to give the impression that one MORmON virgin is just as good as another when taken from the wonderful selection that MORmONISM has to offer, which simply is not the case! BUT if a person is a virgin themselves THEN they have no damn way to know any better. A person can end up married to another person who really isnt so suitable for marriage for a vast number of reasons, and they dont know any better either because they were bought into the LDS BS from the start too.

Most mention temple marriage in their baby blessings.

Yes, of course, it's their goal. It's part of the life time goals of the religion. It's very common to have a specific kind of marriage ceremony and place in religion.

Yes... with early indoctrination on many fronts.

Unfortunately getting married in the temple does little to prevent divorce and I doubt that will change.

The emphasis on temple marriage not only displaces the most important emphasis in marriage (the partner), but it seems to imply that if you simply get married in the temple all will be well.

I have found that successful marriages are not without challenge, but mostly work because the partners are mature and willing to work together. Most Mormon marriages that aren't working end in divorce or a life-time on earth of misery.

Temple marriage is a bad policy. It divides families but cutting out non-members, non-temple recommend holding members and young children.

I doubt Christ is thrilled with what TSCC has done with the marriage ceremony.

Getting sealed in the temple is an ordinance. Getting married should be a celebration.

DT

what is the business secret of Utah's biggest corporation ?

-holding families hostage in eternity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LA_Eusla4o

Of course its the only goal. Every young women's lesson I remember seemed to have something to do with temple marriage.

A backfire to the whole temple marriage thing I think is that some people feel they have to be trapped in a bad marriage because of getting married in the temple. Example: I was talking to a friend of mine last night, she was telling me about her jerk ex-husband for years she kept trying to make it work with him because she felt since it was a temple marriage, she HAD to. I know other girls who have felt similarly.

. . . . and those only belong in fairytales.

What is it with girls and their happily-ever-after obsessions? What do they actually want to DO in/with their lives, as an individual? Because it seems like many of them just want to be taken care of and be accepted.

I'm not trying to pick on the women, I'm just speaking from my own experience as a woman in the church and the attitudes I witnessed time and again, especially at BYU. It seemed like MOST women were more interested in marriage than they were in developing their own interests and becoming competent and independent individuals. At at a University, that's just WEIRD.

Most girls were more interested in marketing themselves as a wife than learning a marketable skill.

Which would be an okay option, if it took into account the realities of life and marriage . . . that 1) to be a good marriage partner, you should be a competent adult, capable of taking care of and supporting yourself and 2) a good marriage relationship is based on compatibility and maturity, NOT on religious faithfulness and infatuation.

Is that why they call it "BYU I Do?"

It always seemed like more than a goal - more like the be-all and end-all of a woman's existence. Really made me angry, to be honest. And uncomfortable, after seeing so many girls get married at such a young age, to men they barely knew.

I'm new here, grew up in Utah but have never been Mormon. Just my quick introduction before I randomly reply! Where I work the majority of the staff are females, 18-25. Some conversations I have has have been so sad! More then once when chatting about the future, as little as six months away, I have been told "well hopefully I am married by then!" of course I ask who they are dating. No prospects.

That sounds like Sally Rogers, the writer of the Alan Brady Show in the fictional TV hit from the 1960s "The Dick Van Dyke Show."


The reason I point this out is that this obsession with marrying is not just a Mormon thing -- or at least, it used not to be just a Mormon thing.


It was quite common back when I was growing up -- in the 1950s and 1960s.


It just seems like the LDS church wants to stagnate back in the 1950s and 1960s on LOTS of issues, this being just one of them.


Won't they ever grow up?

MORmON temple marriage is MORE than just a life time commitment!
its an eternal commitment!.... even if another marriage to some one else happens to crop up along the way !


let one of the worlds greatest ding bats and a member of MORmON royalty explain it !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JobQRytGvp8

It's the second-to-last goal, too. The only one that comes later is "endure to the end."

BTW, did anyone else on their mission get the constant "A goal not written down is only a wish" crap? I finally pointed out that, when they'd make goals like "3 new baptisms this week" when we had no current investigators, that writing a wish down didn't make it a goal. I'm not sure anyone believed me. :-)

besides all the indoctrination to get married to a worthy priesthood holder (I was in MI, so the temple was not always first though expected once we had the chicago one)

So the bishops wife who was our last yw teacher, gave all us high school grads a beautiful white hanky from Jacobsens in Rochester, MI. It was in a pretty box with tissue and she wrote "this is to hold your grooms ring in when you get married in the temple".

I used it too. I was the first of the girls to get married, which was a huge surprise. I also had sex with a few different guys, but repented then had sex with my fiancee to celebrate our engagement, THEN we stopped.

We had to wait 6 months because of our sexcapades, but marrying in the temple had to happen no matter what. Sad. I should have done more to get his pants off before our wedding, but my parenst would have been heartbroken, and horribly embarassed and shamed.

Does it seem like that?

Well, yeah, all throughout my entire time in the church I was told that for women, there is nothing else. You should have no other goals or aspirations aside from getting married in the temple and popping out a couple litters of puppies, whom you will then raise up to do the exact same thing.

Whaddya mean does it seem like mormons great getting married in the templs as a goal in life? To mormons, it IS the ONLY goal in life. That's the whole point!

Yup. My gf is TBM and I'm Catholic (I was Mormon for about a week. Mainly to piss of my parents.) and she jokingly told me that even if I converted I wouldn't find a Mormon wife because I intend to enlist and become a career Ranger (and therefore couldn't go on a mission). No goal on marrying for love, just marrying a mormon boy in good standing who went on a mission

Yes! (AS IN HELL YES! are you kidding or something?)
MORmONISM absolutely pounds this drum as a big time goal!
way past being anal retentive on the matter.


and the thing that's really sickening is when young MORmONS come out of their temple sealing acting like they have really accomplished something simply because they have more fully conscripted themselves into a lifetime of MORmON servitude.
aka SLAVERY. There are tons of LDS wedding videos on Youtube that demonstrate this.

I remember reading Covey's "7 Principles of Highly Effective People" and going through the exercises to create your own personal mission statement. I totally support doing this.

However, I got the feeling as I wrote up mine that I was just copying and pasting a very general mission, like get married in the temple, be a good father, all kids marry in temple and be good parents, etc.

And most of the mission statements of TBMs I saw were pretty much the same. It wasn't MINE...it was installed:(

One of the sickest feelings I have ever had with Mormonism was looking at a childrens book called "I Am A Child Of God". It was clearly targeted at 1st graders, Kindergartners, maybe younger kids. First read or bed-time story type of thing.

The last two pages were "I will marry in the temple" with a cartoon picture of a bride and groom in front of a SLC looking temple.

The previous two pages had a dollar and a dime with the words "I will pay a full tithe"

When you start on them that young, it's not wacky later on in life. What an evil institution that cult is.