Sounds like an adventure flick -- but comes from the banal blog of a distant mo relative who had this to say about a visit to Mt. Vernon:

"I am so impressed with what I learned about George Washington and I'd like to learn more. From the things we learned, he reminded me a lot of Captain Moroni in his dedication to freedom, not wanting a king in this land, and fighting for our families and our homes."

Do you think George is rolling over in his grave ;-)

As a hardcore Mason, I imagine the General would be particularly disgusted by the lifting of their rites by a slick con man for use in a bogus religious ritual.

The real Masons were very concerned about JS's upstart lodge, where he promoted himself to Master Mason in about a millisecond.

Most of the Founding Fathers weren't Christians, they were Deists. They probably spun about 10,000 RPM in their graves when their "temple work" was done...

Funny, now that someone mentions it, I do notice some similarities. It is almost as if Moroni was loosely based on George Washington, which would have been odd, since GW was only the closest thing to being the most famous Action Hero of the time, when JS was growing up.

In fact the Title of Liberty story almost sounds like a tall tale you would hear in a tavern about the American Revolution.

I've heard this comparison before. In BYU American government class. It was supposed truth that Washington was inspired to help found the nation the way the promised land was promised. Of course the promise was written some 50 years after the fact, so of course it was accurate.

Edit: I hate autocorrect.



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Why was Moroni only a captain?

He was a major, but some ugly business about viewing porn on a Nephite army's computer. Demoted and eventually had to retire with the reduced benefits package.

I had thought that maybe he tried to sell the gold plates to Canadians.

That was Joseph Smith trying to copy the Bible, that never referred to a rank above Captain. When the King James bible was translated, the leader of a war band was a Captain, no matter what the size of his force. (This is why a Captain is in charge of a ship) The modern rank system came about in Spain, when the Royal Army was composed of several mercenary companies. Each company was a private enterprise, lead by a Captain, with Lieutenant advisers. They had Major and Minor Captains depending on the size of the company. Major Captains later became simply Majors.

Companies were organized into Columns, with column leaders, which in corrupted Spanish, led to the word Colonel. Colonels were assisted by Lieutenant Colonels. There was then a Colonel who was given the title of Colonel General, because he had General command of the columns. Later this was abbreviated to simply General, but many armies, not the American, still have the rank of Colonel General. A Marshal was a high ranking court official, and one operating in the field with an army was called a Field Marshal.

Truth be told, if the Bible had been translated in Joseph Smiths time, it would have used the terms Colonel and General for military ranks, and it is interesting that Joseph Smith did not, because he was trying to sound like he was using the phony King James language.

What gets me, here is a man Joseph Smith, he lives in the early 1800,s trying to make a living, he tries different approaches, but fails, he realizes if he can people to give him money, so he takes the bible learns and creates his own book, using God's Book, he realizes that now some people are easy to believe in anything, but he must continue his book of bull crap to be appealing, so he puts God Word connected to his bull crap and he starts to make money and followers, he get murdered, and others in his cult, and they get murdered, why is was all about greed and control, but Joseph Smith at the time was laughing at the people and he never believe in God's Word he just used God Word to profit his agenda, as you can clearly see in his laughable humor, he called his made Phrophet "Captain Moroni", look at the wording people, that he chosed, Captain Moron i, he still probaby laughing Captain Moron with the last letter "i", he was looking at the people and navie as people are and he was calling then MORON's and with an "i". Even the original religion he called it MORO(N)M, can you see this even a I que of of 300 to 80 can see this, Joseph Smith, knew if you can fool the people and create his religion he will gather money, etc. from follower and he would them Morons. He probably this day, I had no idea there are so many gulable people in world. But the Bible, God's Words, has the last laugh Oh Joseph Smith, he has a place for you, it is called Hell, now who's laughing? the old saying is "Fool me once shame on you" Fool me twice shame on ME". Get is together MOROMS, or you will be visiting Joseph Smith, there is only one true word of God and that's is in the Bible, even Jesus said if anybody is teaching any other doctrine other than my doctrine, RUN FROM IT.

Crunch was also only a Captain.
Sweet!

The Cap'n! Stays crunchy, even in milk.

Of course that war was very much on the minds of people in 1823 and Washingtons exploits were well known, like Moroni and his Standards of Liberty and Washingtons LodgePoles (?) or the battles where they surrounded the sleeping enemy, and of course going to the famous Holley Maps, check out Tecumseh and Teancum.

http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/magazine/pmm_article_full_text/211

I guess I shoulda looked before I typed.
But I think I read something about 1812...oh well

In 1775 George Washington wrote to Canada:

"We have taken up Arms in defence of our Liberty, our Property; our Wives and our Children."

Captain Moroni in Alma 46:10 was:

"preparing to asupport their liberty, their lands, their wives, and their children,"

Wow the same things in the same order


David Ramsay's "Life of George Washington" published in 1807 describes a strategem of Washington:

"The Americans moved from their encampment on the Skippack road in the evening of the 3d of October, with the intention of surprising their adversaries early next morning, and to attack both wings in front and rear at the same time . . ."

In 3 Nephi 4:25 Gidgiddoni used the same strategem:

"25 And this did they do in the night-time, and got on their march beyond the robbers, so that on the morrow, when the robbers began their march, they were met by the armies of the Nephites both in their front and in their rear."


Then of course there are the "King-men" in the Book of Mormon and the Tories in the American Revolution etc. etc.

Whoever wrote the Book of Mormon, evidently was well aware of the American Revolution. I would say it probably was written a generation or two after, like in the late 1820s or so.



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Wow. Just wow. Of course JS didn't need peepstones! There was so much material to plagiarize!

Baura you are so smart. I really like to read your posts.

Moroni must of really F up. Not only was he Only a captin he was only an Angel, not a god. He must of done the big M as he looked at Nephite porn. Cool he be my ministering Angle in heaven.

Wasn't Captain Moroni married to Tenille?

And I can tell you this about him; bastard woulda been fragged by his own troops inside a month in the U.S. Army.

And decided to put in a spectral appearance at the newly finished St. George Temple...

Besides the horse manure being spread about the Founding Fathers being divinely inspired, he was upset that these deluded idiots named the town after him as well as the whole damn county. He figured putting a good haunt into the church leaders would teach them a lesson.

Unfortunately, ghosts can't talk, and after they'd recovered from their initial fright, Wilford Woodruff and his friends decided to make up a faith promoter about how they'd asked to have their temple ordinances done.

I yield the storyteller's mike to Raptor Jesus...

Moroni is imaginary. GW fought an actual king. GW then became an elected leader. GW never pretended to have conversations with deities.

1. JS demoted Washington who was Col. Washington in the French and Indian War by using him as the mold for Capt. Moroni.
2. JS made himself a Maj. General, making himself ranks above Moroni. What a crock. He used some Washington story just as he used the story of Judith for his First Neph!
3. Of the above, which is worst?

Can you hear that? It's Washington rolling in his grave.