Every few months I republish this so the newbies can see what happens when the scientific method is abandoned in favor of granting one man credibility without question or verification.

MORMON COSMOLOGY

God says the correct name for our Sun is "Shinehah," which is the name He gave it. Also, the correct name of the moon is "Olea." See Abraham 3:13.



God lives on a giant crystal ball. See D&C 130:6-8.

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God's home planet orbits a star named "Kolob." See Abraham 3:3

- Kolob is "the great governing star of our universe" and "the residence of God." See Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith's "Church History and Modern Revelation" Volume 3, Page 60.

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The Sun "borrows it's light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash.. which governs fifteen other fixed planets or stars.. and receives light from the revolutions of Kolob." This quote comes directly from the Book of Abraham, Facsimile Number 2, Explanation for Figure 5. Also see: http://nowscape.com/mormon/kolob-defined.htm

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The Sun is a celestialized world, where its inhabitants are perfected. The Prophet Brigham Young taught in General Conference: "So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain. It was made to give light to those who dwell upon it, and to other planets; and so will this earth when it is celestialized." See Journal of Discourses, 13:271. Also see Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 1 Page 88: "Earth to be Celestialized Sun"

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The Earth will undergo a perfection after the millenium and become a huge seer stone of glass. People living on the Earth after this transformation will be able to look into the Earth and see things happening on "inferior" kingdoms (planets). See D&C 130:9

- God's home planet, Kolob, is at the center of our Galaxy, which all other stars rotate around. See Clark, J. Reuben Jr., "Behold the Lamb of God," page 46, "Kolob, the Governor"

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The Earth actually has a spirit, just like we do. It had to be baptized (the flood) to fulfill all righteousness, just like us. It will also have to receive the baptism of fire (at the second coming of Christ) in order to receive its exaltation and become a celestialized world. See Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith's "Doctrines of Salvation," Volume 1, pages 73-74, page 87 "Celestial Destiny of the Earth." See also Moses Chapter 7:48-49, 56 where the Earth's spirit speaks with Enoch.

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When Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden, the Earth was closely orbiting Kolob, like God's home planet. But when Adam and Eve fell, so did the Earth and it was hurled across the cosmos and placed in orbit around our sun in this planetary system. After the Millenium, the Earth will return to its rightful place near God, orbiting Kolob. See Church Ensign, March 1997, Page 16 "The Book of Abraham: A Most Remarkable Book," and Journal of Discourses, 17:143 and Journal of Discourses 7:163

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Black Holes are "outer darkness" where God will cast those sons of perdition that deny His spirit. This includes all Ex-Mormons. See "The Creation," page 146 and D&C 101:90-91

- The light of Christ is the light coming from the Sun and the Moon. See D&C 88:7. (The "light" refered to may very well be literal, as well as figurative and symbolic, speaking about Christ's influence.)

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Kolob is the North Star, according to Joseph Smith. Taught by LDS Church Institute Instructor, but still need reference.

mormon-scienceCreation

- Joseph Smith taught that the Earth was created like a cake, from ingredients of different ages. Just like a cake was made from wheat that is a year old, eggs from a few days and milk fresh this morning from the cow, so too, the Earth is made from parts of different ages. See Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 350-352.

- God created everything twice, just like Plato said. First there was a spiritual creation, and then there was a physical creation. See Moses 3:5, 6:51 and Endowment Ceremony.

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God did not create the physical Earth Himself. Actually, all of us helped out. Under the direction of Jesus and Adam, we created the Earth. Some of us created trees, others created rocks and still others created animals, based on God's blueprints. See Abraham 3:22-24, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, pages 74-75.

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God can't get his story straight about which order he created the Earth. The order of the days of creation in Moses contradicts the order given in the Temple Endowment, which are both inspired truth. The third day (creation of life, vegetation and seeds) and fourth day (creation of light, moon and stars) of creation are switched in the temple ceremony, whereas Moses matches the order of Genesis. See Moses 2:9-19 and Temple Ceremony (all versions).

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God created the Earth first, then He created the Sun, Moon and stars and the rest of the universe. On the first day of creation God creates the earth (see Moses 2:2-5). On the second day, God creates earth's oceans and the atmosphere (see Moses 2:6-8). On the third day, God separates the land from the water and creates vegetation, fruits and trees (see Moses 2:9-13). Finally, on the fourth day, God creates the Sun, Moon and stars (see Moses 2:14-19).

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Mars and Venus have dry rivers that match perfectly with rivers on Earth, proving that parts of all three were "organized" from parts of a same old planet. Scientists say the moon was formed out of the Earth, why not the other planets too? Still need reference. Taught by LDS Church apostle during stake fireside, but still need reference.

Extra-Terrestrials

- There are human beings on many other planets that look just like us because they too, are in the image of God. See New Era Article "People on Other Worlds" April 1971.

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UFOs are from the City of Enoch, that was raised to heaven because the citizens attained perfection. City of Enoch story is in the Pearl of Great Price, but UFO connection made by LDS Church Seminary teacher. Still need reference.

- Joseph Smith taught that the Ten Lost Tribes had gone to the North Pole, as it used to be warm, but God divided the Earth in two and they wound up between Texas and Florida. Then God scooped them up, leaving a big hole called the Gulf of Mexico. And these millions of Hebrews are today on this island floating around in the solar system, but we can't see them because God has them flying at an angle where the telescopes can't pick them up. But one day the island will crash back into the Gulf and the earth will reel to and fro like a drunken man. See http://www.code-co.com/rcf/mhistdoc/enoch.htm for many scriptural and Joseph Smith prophetic references.

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UFOs are from the lost ten tribes, which live underneath the north pole. As explained in the Doctrine and Covenants, these tribes will return by flight from the north in the Last Days. See D&C 110:11 and 133:26.

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Earth is the most evil of all of God's worlds in the Universe. See Moses 7:36

- God sent Christ here because it was the only world that was wicked enough to kill Jesus. Common teaching from LDS Church Seminary teachers, but still need reference.

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All of the other planets in the universe with God's children have prophets who preach to them about Christ's life, death and resurrection on Earth. Just as our prophets tell us that other worlds have human life on them, so to, true prophets on other worlds teach the life of Christ as he lived it on this Earth. See November 1985 Ensign "Is Jesus Christ the Savior of all the worlds God created or just ours?"

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Mars is populated by beings who, like us, were created in the image of God, so they look like us. Except they are waiting to hear about the Gospel, which we will preach to them during the millenium. Supposedly came from early church conference address by church apostle, but still need reference.

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God created all the planets in our solar system with the explicit "law" to support human life. The other planets in our solar system are already populated or are able to support human life. See "The Essential Orson Pratt, p.373"

- Lucifer only did to Adam and Eve "the same thing which has been done in "OTHER WORLDS," according to the temple endowment. This shows Mormon doctrine embraces the idea of life on other planets.

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"Thus the Lord has given us the information regarding his creations, and how he has made many earths, for there never was a beginning, never was a time when man did not exist somewhere in the universe, and when the time came for this earth to be peopled the Lord, our God, transplanted upon it from some other earth, the life which is found here." Improvement Era, Vol 23:389-393; Joseph Fielding Smith; "The Origin and Destiny of Man"; 1919

Mormon Physics

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All spirit is matter, just "more fine or pure" form of matter which we cannot measure. See D&C 131:7.

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The Mormon God cannot destroy or create matter, he can only "reorganize" it. So the Solar System was formed from other previous creations. See Temple Endowment, The Contributor, Vol. 4, p. 257, and Joseph Smith As Scientist, p. 14.

- God has cursed water and turned it over to Satan to control. Satan controls bodies of water, especially rivers. See D&C 61:13-19

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All matter in the universe chooses to obey God's law. If God had not sacrificed his Only Begotten Son to fulfill the atonement and satisfy the law, then matter would not have continued to respect God and matter would not have continued to obey Him. This is supposedly from ther church's official publication "Jesus the Christ" but is often taught by LDS Church Institute instructors. Still need reference.

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Light is the sole medium which God has for governing the universe. See Journal of Discourses, Volume 15:232

Other Dimensions

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The Earth is the spirit world, where the billions of deceased spirits now live. In fact, there are spirits all around us right now, yet we cannot see them and they cannot see us, thanks to "the veil." [This is so much like a few Star Trek episodes!] Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors - still need reference.


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When babies are born, "the veil" is still very thin and as newborns they can see spirits, remember the "pre-existence" and still hear God directly. It's only later after months trapped in a physical body that "the veil" begins to close over their spiritual awareness. Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors - still need reference.

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Just before people die, "the veil" once again lifts and they start to see again all the spirits and angels all around us. Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors - still need reference.

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God lives in the fourth dimension, which explains why he can see everything, be everywhere and know all time. In fact, as three-dimensional beings, if we could visit flatland (a two-dimensional universe) the inhabitants would think we were Gods. Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors - still need reference.

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The Holy of Holies in the Salt Lake Temple actually contains a portal to the celestial realm at Kolob. Mormon folklore, source reference needed. 

Time and Time Travel

- God travels much faster than the speed of light. God travels at the "speed of thought." Very common Mormon belief, source reference needed.

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A day for God is like a thousand years on Earth. This is because it takes a thousand Earth years for God's home planet Kolob to rotate around once on its axis. See Abraham 3:4-5

- God lives by "celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit" See Book of Abraham, Facsimile Number 2, Explanation for Figure 1.

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Adam and Eve living in the Garden of Eden were "subject to Kolob Time." See Abraham 5:13

- Seer stones allow us to see past, present and future events at any location. All of those that make it to the Celestial Kingdom will have their own seer stone, to review any moment or location in the universe. See D&C 130:10-11

- If it wasn't for "Cherubum and a Flaming Sword" in front of the tree of life, Adam and Eve would have lived "forever" after eating the forbidden fruit. See Alma 12:21, 42:2-3 and Moses 4:31

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A righteous man's "time" on this Earth is not "cut short," according to the D&C 122:9.

- Christ's atonement was eternal, reached back in time and retro-actively saved the faithful who lived and died before the event occurred, yet they were told to wait for his coming in order to be saved. (Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed., Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, pp. 64, 65).

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God showed his temporal prophets "everything from the beginning to the end of time", as accounts record in the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon. See stories of Nephi, Moses and Abraham. Also see D&C 101:32-34.

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The earth's lifetime is divided into "dispensations" of time. The correct name for our current dispensation of time is "Adam-ondi-Ahman" which Joseph Smith explained to mean "The place or land of God where Adam dwelt." (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 19-20)

Geology

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Right from the scriptures, the Earth's total temporal existence is 7,000 years. See D&C 77:6

- There's more gold and mineral riches in Utah than the rest of the world combined. It's hidden from you because of a lack of faith. There's no need to go to California to pan for Gold, because God will reveal these riches to you when you are righteous enough. This was preached from the pulpit at the Tabernacle by the Prophet of the Church. See Journal of Discourses 1:264.

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Fossilized dinosaur bones are from dinosaurs that lived on other worlds that were destroyed to create the Earth. They were living creatures, but not from this Earth. (See Creation above) Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors. Still need reference.

- Carbon dating is phony because God has altered the Earth so many times with processes we can't understand or measure. Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors. Still need reference.

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The Garden of Eden was in Missouri. Noah was taken to the Old World by the Flood. This teaching was given by Joseph Smith and is still accepted as true doctrine. Given this teaching, Mormons have to accept the flood as a global phenomenon. (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, "Adam-Ondi-Ahman" p. 19-20)

- Prophet preaches from the Tabernacle pulpit in General Conference that "Gold and silver grow, and so does every other kind of metal, the same as the hair upon my head, or the wheat in the field.." See JoD 1:209.

Mormon Biology

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Adam and Eve did not have blood in their bodies in the Garden of Eden. The Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith taught: "Adam [and, by extension, all of the animal creation] had no blood in his veins before the fall. Blood is the life of the mortal body." After Adam partook of the forbidden fruit, blood became "the life-giving fluid in Adam's body, and was inherited by his posterity. Blood was not only the life of the mortal body, but also contained in it the seeds of death which bring the mortal body to its end. Previously the life force in Adam's body, which is likewise the sustaining power in every immortal body, was the spirit." –

Joseph Fielding Smith, Man: His Origin and Destiny (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1954), pp. 362, 376-77.

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Adam lived nearly 1,000 years and the prophets used to live hundreds of years because they lived the Word of Wisdom perfectly and had more pure blood in their veins. Over time, the human race has polluted blood more and more. Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors. Still need reference.

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Adam did not have a navel, Eve did. Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors. Still need reference.

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Mormonism directly explains the creation of at least one race by God. Mormon scripture taught that Cain was so evil, God cursed him and his lineage with black skin, creating the African race. See Moses 7:22. Mormon Doctrine explains: "Cain was cursed with a dark skin; he became the father of the Negroes, and those sprits who are not worthy to receive the priesthood are born though his lineage. He became the first mortal to be cursed as a son of perdition. As a result of his mortal birth he is assured of a tangible body of flesh and bones in eternity, a fact which will enable him to rule over Satan." Mormon Doctrine, Page 102.

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When Native Americans become Mormons, their skin turns white. The Prophet Spencer W. Kimball taught the principle of this process in a General Conference address. He stated how the "Indians are fast becoming a white and delightsome people." He said, "The [Indian] children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation... These young [Indian] members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness. One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated." LDS General Conference, October 1960, Spencer W. Kimball, (Improvement Era, December 1960, pp. 922-3). Also see the original Mormon prophesy of this effect in 2 Nephi 30:6.

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Drinking tea may tan your stomach similarly to what happens in a teapot. (Missionary teaching technique taken seriously by some).

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All races, including Blacks, Asians, Indians, will be resurrected in their perfect state as white Caucasians. Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors. Still need reference.

 Our Spirit bodies look exactly the same as our physical bodies, even before birth. In the book of Mormon, Christ appeared (and touched the stones) to the Brother of Jared in the BoM in his spirit form, which appeared the same as his future body would thousands of years later when he was born. See Ether 3:15-17

- Resurrection is simply a priesthood ordinance not yet revealed, but that will be revealed after the millenium. See LDS Church News Archives, Saturday, January 15, 2000, "Resurrection is a priesthood ordinance. 'As to how the dead are raised, we know that it is by the power of Jesus Christ because He holds the keys of death, hell, and resurrection,' said Brother Matthews. '. . . President Brigham Young and Elder Erastus Snow taught that the resurrection will be conducted much as other things are done in the kingdom, by those in authority and by delegation.'"

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Resurrected bodies do not have blood but instead rely on the spirit to stay alive. The Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith taught: "Our Father in heaven and our Savior and all those who have passed through the resurrection have physical bodies of flesh and bones, but their bodies are quickened by spirit and not by blood, hence they are spiritual bodies and not blood bodies. The immortal body is quickened by spirit, but the mortal body is quickened by blood... Now when Adam was in the Garden of Eden, he was not subject to death. There was no blood in his body and he could have remained there forever. This is true of all other creations." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 76-77).

Anagrammy



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Thank you, Ana. That certainly explains the reason why the Mormons use the phrase "milk before meat". The "meat" is too embarrassing to mention.



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This was amazing to read. I knew a few of these things but not all of it. I can't believe how crazy this actually sounds now. When I read stuff like this I look at my TBM parents who seem normal enough and I think "how can they actually believe this stuff?!" Thanks for posting!

"The Holy of Holies in the Salt Lake Temple actually contains a portal to the celestial realm at Kolob. Mormon folklore, source reference needed. 

Time and Time Travel

- God travels much faster than the speed of light. God travels at the "speed of thought." Very common Mormon belief, source reference needed.

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lol

When I was young and active in the church in the 80's through primary, I was always fascinated that the church had all these amazing answers to the mysteries of the universe. From UFO's to cosmological mysteries, I was blown away that WE KNEW the truth, and no one else did.
Because of Battlestar Galactica and the City of Enoch story, I became fascinated with astronomy. As I grew older and took science in JUNIOR HIGH I quickly realized that most of the church's cosmological claims were crap. I do, however, have to thank TSCC for my fascination with science fiction and astronomy though.

And as a child, I believed all of it. These were the types of things we would discuss around the dinner table. These "facts" have always been casually mentioned here and there.

Seeing it all laid out like this is so mind blowing. Everyone I know, love and respect thinks these things that are in complete opposition to common sense, reality, science and fact. Thanks so much for compiling this.

And to think my Mormon family makes fun of scientologists for having a religion created by a science fiction author. Oh the irony. I'm gagging on it.

I'm so glad that you mentioned everyone helping create the world. My father used to tell me that one; but in more recent years I haven't found a single lds person who will admit to that teaching. The stuff about being everyone being white after the resurrection is still something that my mother believes and will argue vehemently for.

I can't believe i forgot about this one. I learned it as a child.

Ditto to the above comments. I tried to believe, all my life, but never could. Seeing it laid out like this drives home the point that it's beyond ridiculous - embarrassing, even, to have such abominable teachings put forth. I well remember being taught that Christ was sent to earth because we inhabited the most wicked planet with people evil enough to kill him. (sigh)

Just opened up my scriptures for the first time in a LOOOONG time and sure enough, next to Shinehah and Olea--I had drawn a line. A line meant "WTF?!?!?!"

anagrammy, I posted a few excerpts from you list on another forum (with all credit going to you) and I got back a few excellent responses:

Regarding this statement: "God’s home planet, Kolob, is at the center of our Galaxy, which all other stars rotate around."

Response: "That means God’s home is a supermassive black hole – a celestial body so dense that not even stupid can escape."


Regarding the various descriptions of Kolob: "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH so the name of the Collector Base was Kolob. Good to know the name of the place after you blow it up.

So this means that the Mormon God is a Reaper?"


A response to the whole list in general: " ... that’s some weapons grade batshit crazy there. It’s so hard to imagine functioning (for a given value of functioning) adults living in a fantasy world like this, I forget how strikingly insane they are."

"Fossilized dinosaur bones are from dinosaurs that lived on other worlds that were destroyed to create the Earth. They were living creatures, but not from this Earth. (See Creation above) Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors. Still need reference.

- Carbon dating is phony because God has altered the Earth so many times with processes we can't understand or measure. Taught by LDS Church Institute instructors. Still need reference.

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But god must have severe OCD, because when he put them on this earth, he laid them down exactly as they had died. He also, kept them all in a chronologial order laying down in strata. Also, he was very careful not to put one on its head with its ass sticking up in the air (that is very uncouth). Pure ignunce.

I am so ashamed that I used to believe this @#$%&. Every word of it. In fact, I prided myself on knowing more of this kind of arcana than the average bear.

Anagrammy, this list was excruciating to read. I have a migraine now.

Of course, these days, it's possible to be a cradle to grave Mormon and never believe any of this stuff, because I don't believe ANY of it is currently taught in church!

We must all remember that he church is encouraging us to forget these quaint teachings now. The correlation program gives us the true light of knowledge in using only quoted material approved after the 1970's. This re-invention of the doctrine includes the only approved interpretations, and if something a prophet or authority said is not included in the curriculum of church lesson manuals, not only must it not be considered for it's truthfulness or lack thereof; You must pretend that it was never said at all.

That way the doctrine will seem to be more in line with Protestant doctrines. This will retain members and attract new ones.

In other words, Mormonism has been completely re-invented. It is a new church.. A synthetic one, modeled by trained psychologists and behaviorists to be believable and declared permanent and all inclusive.

The Mormon equivalent of the First Council of Nicaea was held in the church office building. It was attended only by a small group later to be known as the Correlation Committee.

At that point, the New Doctrine was nailed down to 72 principles and subjects. A manual of correctness was developed and forevermore, there is to be no speculation. All writings are to carry a thread back through history that only uses cherry-picked faith-promoting quotes from previous eras, taken in context or not, forming an artificial reality that uses the past only to accomplish the new regime.

To indoctrinate properly, each member is to be taught these principles three times in childhood, three times in adolesence and three times in adulthood.

And please realize that the resemblance of this program to that of a totalitarian government's propaganda system is only coincidental!



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Hmmm. Should I add the latest?

That when the Second Coming arrives and Jesus sits on his throne at Abercrombies in the City Creek Mall, the only Mormons who will get to see them will be ones who have TR's and know the patriarchal grip.

Hah!

Anagrammy

ha ha thanks anagrammy, this was intresting, alot of this i did not know

Thank you

I had a missionary tell me that the "tannins" in tea are the same "tannins" used in the leather tanning process, and thusly will turn your stomach into something resembling a purse. One quick Google search later, and that myth was torn to shreds.

His response?
"Oh....well...its still not good for you."

What a load of baloney. How dare they try to separate a Southern girl from her sweet tea? ;)

And thank you for the delighful post Anagrammy! Very interesting and highly entertaining!

MMM Sweet tea! One of my lately discovered treats.

Isn't it wonderful! My momma raised me on the stuff...put it in my baby bottle and everything. When I converted, I lasted all off three weeks without it lol

Not a newbie but I missed this list before. I'd like to use it on my site, how would you like me to refer to you, simply as Anagrammy, or do you have a blog of your own I can link to?

No blog here. Help yourself, that's what I did originally and then forget where it all started. Add to it and pass it around, the more people who see this, the better. Be sure and get back to us here if you get any references for specific times/dates you might have been taught some goofiness in seminary in the wee hours of the morning in the shadow of Timpanogos.

Some of what I learned was in George Pace's class at BYU--where the aisles would be packed with lurkers. He hinted that he had seen something in the temple --and that if we kept going, the more we went, one day we would step into the Celestial Room and be able to see the spirits who treat each person who steps through the veil as a spiritual celebrity, a victorious person of might and valor.

We hung on every word. Sometimes there would be such a hush in the room as he spoke of "climbing the mountain" and the inexpressible things he saw/experienced as the veil parted, the gospel was made clear, there were things seen which could not be shared at this time, but would be common in our future as the saints, together, moved into celestial living, which was another dimension, "a light on a hill." And how the scientists and wise men of the word would be dumbfounded.

Unbelievable.

Anagrammy

Thanks, Anagrammy, for the list.

It's amazing how a religion like TSCC can fabricate a myriad of things like these just to look and/or sound believable.

I’ve been here since perhaps 2007-08, and I’ve never seen this. Thanks for reposting it. It will go in my ever bulging file of Mormonism on my computer.

I remember before I ever had a College Science course, those beliefs didn’t seem so crazy. I wish Bill Mahr would get ahold of this post.

Steve Benson could forward it to him. Steve seems to have access to everyone!

Anagrammy

PS. Steve - don't suck out the ones without references. Just like Catholics burying the statue of St. Joseph upside down in the front yard to help sell the house (my mother did it), knowing what people are talking about on the street sheds more light on the tone of a religion than the orthodox doctrine.

Great list! I was taught all those things. It's amazing how things that weren't "doctrine" were taught the same way across many generations. The Church can try to supress these things but we know what we were taught.

I was in the church almost 40 years -- out here in the mission field, of course -- and I have not heard most of those points until right now.


I'm not trying to claim that you are wrong.


I'm pointing out that -- outside the Morridor -- most of these odd beliefs were not taught. Remember, we're surrounded by people with more "normal" viewpoints out here. This stuff would have sounded so far fetched that I (speaking for myself) would probably haved dumped TSCC many years before I actually did, if I'd read this stuff. Since I -- like others out here -- am not surrounded 24/7/365 by other folks who buy into this garbage.


I don't think I've ever read the Book of Abraham, BTW.

I am quite surprised you haven't read the Book of Abraham. Didn't you go to seminary?

The Church stopped quoting from the Pearl of Great Price during conference, which was my big clue that it is on the attrition schedule. Which, when you think of it, is the only solution for the Great Papyrii Scandal. A new generation will never have heard of it, so who cares if it is fake-translated. It will be deemed "not necessary for salvation, a duplication in fact" and will disappear to lighten the weight of a quad down to a triple.

Yeah, I moved from California where I joined to Utah and found the communities to be alive with gossip worms of every type--visitations from ancestors, graveyard visits, teenage rumors of pregnancies from Satan. I was flabbergasted.

Now I look back and see that it is the product of boredom, actually. Nothing to do but can, bake bread, wash clothes, cook. You gotta have something in your life where "anything can happen" and it certainly isn't going to be in bed.

So there's ward gossip. Read Donna Banta's new book out, "The Girls from the Fourth Ward."

Best

Anagrammy

Holy S@#$t..that is some of the weirdest stuff I have ever heard. I stumbled upon this forum while looking for information on Mormonism. I figured it someone who might be the POTUS was a member, I wanted to know more about it. I have heard it called a cult before and it seems that it is true. I am a "neverMo" from the northeast. There are Mormons here, but they blend in. I believe that 99% of Americans would have no idea of these things and if they knew, not one of them would vote for Mittsy.

Welcome, Biff. Continue lurking just for the laughs. It is hard to believe that a rational, suit-wearing business tycoon like Mitt Romney just "bows his head and says yes" to everything they tell him. And believe me, he does.

He said he was not a cafeteria Mormon, so hello magic underwear.

Anagrammy

“UFOs are from the lost ten tribes, which live underneath the north pole. As explained in the Doctrine and Covenants, these tribes will return by flight from the north in the Last Days. See D&C 110:11 and 133:26.”

Had a missionary companion who told me his TBM mother was a big “Hollow Earth” believer. We had many an interesting discussions while tracting about how the lost ten tribes went north and were living in the “hollow earth” and how some day they’d all come marching out from the entrance near the North Pole bringing with them the sealed portions of The Book of Mormon. Weird stuff to be sure, but hey anything to take your mind of the drudgery of tracting.

Thanks Dave, I'm adding it!

Best

Ana

As if it needed repeating: mormonism is an insult to the intelligence of Man.