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I was trying to explain whacky mormon teachings to co-workers, and was asked about the "Satan has dominion over the water" belief. What whacky thing happened in Joe's life that prompted this? Did he not like to bathe?
Trying to cross the Big Fish River if I'm not mistaken...And, I saw Jaws, that was not Satan out there.
It's a Mormon myth. The LDS church never really taught that as doctrine. It just came from that guy saying that he "saw Satan moving upon the water." I think it was said during the doomed "Zion's Camp" endeavor. I'm not going to bother looking it up.
It's like garments being "protective." Although that is actually a belief that is passed on in the temple, it just comes from the fact that Willard Richards was the only guy wearing his garments when Joseph Smith came under attack at Carthage jail, and was the only one not wounded or killed. Therefore...
It's like garments being "protective." Although that is actually a belief that is passed on in the temple, it just comes from the fact that Willard Richards was the only guy wearing his garments when Joseph Smith came under attack at Carthage jail, and was the only one not wounded or killed. Therefore...
issues I let go of. It was YEARS after we left and I still had a kneejerk reaction anytime my kids went swimming on Sunday.
I never paid much attention in Sunday school, so a lot of the "doctrine" never got a foothold in my brain back in the day....
A group of men with Joseph Smith in the lead were traveling down river by canoe. Being the man that he was, Joseph had to be in charge, and not having any idea what he was doing nearly capsized the boat. Scared, he had all boats put into shore for the rest of the day. The following morning he had a "revelation" that the rest of the journey should be done overland.
This was reported by Ezra Booth, a member of the party in a letter to Mr. Partridge on September 20, 1831. Quotes from the letter follow:
>No accident, however, befel them, until Joseph, in the afternoon of the third day, assumed the direction of affairs on board that canoe, which, with other matters of difference, together with Oliver's curse, increased the irritation of the crew, who, in time of danger, refused to exert their physical powers, in consequence of which they ran foul of a sawyer, and were in danger of upsetting . This was sufficient to flutter the timid spirit of the Prophet and his scribe, who had accompanied him on board of that canoe, and like the sea-tossed mariner, when threatened with a watery grave, they unanimously desired to set their feet once more upon something more firm than a liquid surface; therefore, by the persuasion of Joseph, we landed before sunset, to pass the night upon the bank of the river.
>Oliver's denunciation was brought into view; his conduct and equipage were compared to "a fop of a sportsman;" he and Joseph were represented as highly imperious and quite dictatorial; and Joseph and Sidney were reprimanded for their excessive cowardice.
>The next morning Joseph manifested an aversion to risk his person any more upon the rough and angry current of the Missouri, and, in fact, upon any other river; and he again had recourse to his usual method, of freeing himself from the embarrassments of a former commandment, by obtaining another in opposition to it. A new commandment was issued, in which a great curse was pronounced against the waters: navigating them was to be attended with extreme danger; and all the saints, in general, were prohibited in journeying upon them, to the promised land.
This was reported by Ezra Booth, a member of the party in a letter to Mr. Partridge on September 20, 1831. Quotes from the letter follow:
>No accident, however, befel them, until Joseph, in the afternoon of the third day, assumed the direction of affairs on board that canoe, which, with other matters of difference, together with Oliver's curse, increased the irritation of the crew, who, in time of danger, refused to exert their physical powers, in consequence of which they ran foul of a sawyer, and were in danger of upsetting . This was sufficient to flutter the timid spirit of the Prophet and his scribe, who had accompanied him on board of that canoe, and like the sea-tossed mariner, when threatened with a watery grave, they unanimously desired to set their feet once more upon something more firm than a liquid surface; therefore, by the persuasion of Joseph, we landed before sunset, to pass the night upon the bank of the river.
>Oliver's denunciation was brought into view; his conduct and equipage were compared to "a fop of a sportsman;" he and Joseph were represented as highly imperious and quite dictatorial; and Joseph and Sidney were reprimanded for their excessive cowardice.
>The next morning Joseph manifested an aversion to risk his person any more upon the rough and angry current of the Missouri, and, in fact, upon any other river; and he again had recourse to his usual method, of freeing himself from the embarrassments of a former commandment, by obtaining another in opposition to it. A new commandment was issued, in which a great curse was pronounced against the waters: navigating them was to be attended with extreme danger; and all the saints, in general, were prohibited in journeying upon them, to the promised land.
.... but not as much as he -the father of all lies, has dominion over MORmON leaders, who LIE incessantly to promote the EVIL known as MORmONISM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvv4zHiuz48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvv4zHiuz48