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Posted by: Gay Philosopher ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 08:31PM

When you're really afraid of something--e.g. waiting for the results of a CT scan that could diagnose a brain tumor in your mother and fearing that it will be positive, or some other really scary thing--where do you go for comfort?

A lot of us here are atheists. So is Dan Savage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADDo5PT_ToI

He spoke movingly about losing his mother, and how, even though he is a lapsed Catholic, after losing her he would spend a lot of time at a church, just sitting, reflecting.

No matter what we do, at some point, life will bring us tragedy. It has done so countless times to those who have lived before us, and it continues to do so.

Do you have a (perhaps metaphorical) church to go and sit in, alone? Do you have some other sacred space? Do you have someone you love whom you can turn to?

When everything looks bleak, and you feel hopelessly alone and afraid, where do you turn?

I've been reflecting on things that really scare me, and asking myself: Where would I go? I remember, as a 22-year-old boy in the grip of a life-threatening illness, going to a Catholic monastery--a national monument near where I live. At one point, I found myself inside of a side chapel, with an icon of Mary. The lighting was otherworldly, and the atmosphere was so peaceful. On the way out, I looked to either side of me, and saw crutches--crutches that people had left behind. They had come there to be healed. They left their crutches behind. The symbolism is very powerful, and it achieves its intended effect: to confer hope.

I can only speak for myself, but I believe that the most profound function of religion is to cultivate hope, peace, and love. If you strip away the dogma, something much more primal that connects all of us appears. Imagine two families that might have come to that chapel--one, the family of a teenaged boy dying of cancer, and the other, the family of another teenaged boy dying of the same. Both families are desperate. The first teenager is straight. He was the captain of the football team in high school. Everyone loved him. He had--has--a magnetic personality. The second teenager is gay. He was reviled and rejected. One misery after another was heaped on him, culminating in a cancer diagnosis. If those two families met, they wouldn't care about dogma, or that one boy is straight and the other is a gay "sinner." What they would care about is their sons, and they'd be grateful to have met each other because it would help them to not feel so overwhelmingly helpless and alone.

When we suffer--when we really suffer--then the petty things don't matter, and we're reminded of our commonality in our human condition.

From a scientific viewpoint, we can say that religion's propositions are unlikely to be true. But from an emotional, personal viewpoint, the framework of religion can provide comfort to many people. Rituals give us something familiar to go through, which feels comfortable and predictable, enhancing our sense of order and, to however small a degree, control. Kind words and an embrace give us courage. They help. These things may not change biological reality, but I personally find uplifting the architecture of great cathedrals, the pageantry of the rituals, and the affirmation of our common human condition as we gather together as a community. This seems to happen less and less due to the Internet.

Human institutions are faulty. Some are based on deceptions, such as the Mormon Church. All seek power and in-group cohesion. But on some level, I suspect that most religious institutions do deliver some form of hope.

Where do you find hope when you're afraid?

Where is your sacred place?

Thanks,

Steve

PS The above scenario that I mentioned--a CT scan--is fictional. I'm asking these questions because life can be hard. Sometimes we lose sight of that. And when it is, it's good to have somewhere to go, something to believe in that doesn't contradict truth, and someone to love you.

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 08:37PM

The ocean is my first choice.

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Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 08:43PM

First of all, I am rarely afraid. I rely on reason and logic and good information to make choices and decisions. Lots of investigation and searches and contemplation.

Where I go for comfort: it's all within me and how I view the world. I changed how I view the world sometime ago as I have grown older and have more experiences. I have no need to rely on anything divine of sacred.

There is no special physical place I go for comfort. My home is a special as it gets.

We have lived with unusual disturbing circumstances that are out of our control for several years. We take it one day at a time. I gather strength and support from close family members and some dear friends, when needed.

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Posted by: Uncle Dale ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 08:51PM

Gay Philosopher Wrote:
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> Where is your sacred place?
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The stars -- in the nighttime sky -- especially just
before sunrise.

It helps to comprehend how vast and awesome the Universe
is, when compared to some particular little spot here on
our planet.... When compared to the living things inhabiting
that little spot.... among which, I am just one of them.

UD

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Posted by: Mindlight ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 08:52PM

I know depression. I am alone at 58yrs old although I have 2 grown kids, I am estranged from them.
Alone but not lonely. Mostly. No church at the moment.
I attend AA meetings.
Every day I burn frankinsence and quietly think/meditate.
I gave the missionaries a lesson on burning incense. I have 2 Buddhist posters on the wall, they enjoyed those as well.

Everything perception I have is subject to change. If mental state is bad, I quiet myself and remain alone.

I play Chakra balancing music looped thru the night

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Posted by: Calypso ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 08:56PM

Thank you for posting this Steve...I needed it.

It's often extremely difficult for me to find hope when I'm afraid...and I am afraid a lot. I used to pray often, and blessings really helped ease my fears. It's been quite an adjustment living without either of those things.

As far as non physical places, I feel enormous amounts of hope when I see kindness in human beings...that probably doesn't make sense but I am so scared of the world we live in sometimes, but when I see people band together to make a change or even do the smallest random act of kindness, my fears are alleviated, at least for a while.

I don't really have a special place yet, but concerts help me feel alive again...I forget about everything and get lost in the music. If I lived near the ocean, I would probably be there every day, meditating on the beach. I've dreamed of living in San Francisco my entire life, I would love to end up there someday. Several years ago I took a trip to Georgia and spent some time on Tybee Island and I remember it being one of the most beautiful, peaceful places in the world. I would give anything to be able to lay on the beach at night listening to the waves crash on the sand again...that in itself would be so therapeutic. Nature has such a calming effect on me. I worry so often that sometimes I forget how beautiful the world really is.

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Posted by: Gay Philosopher ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 09:23PM

Hi AJHart,

You're very welcome, and thanks for your moving reply.

I agree about nature, and seeing acts of kindness, which seem so rare in our world.

I also find myself wishing for some community that I could belong to--somewhere where I truly felt accepted.

I worry a lot about a lot of things. I wish that I had a resilient character, but the reality is that I have a very thin skin. This isn't a choice, but it has both advantages (empathy) and disadvantages (vulnerability).

Maybe what I cling to most isn't either nature or community, but a message...from near-death experiencers: that we are not our bodies, and that this mortal life is a temporary experience, but only a very small part of our eternal journey. I guess you could call that my personal myth, hope, or reality, depending on the day.

All I know is that we're all in this life together. We were all born. We will all die. What matters is how we live, and using what we've been given to try to make the world better. Little acts of random kindness can make such a big difference.

Without hope, we have nothing.

Steve

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Posted by: Greyfort ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 09:40PM

Chocolate. It actually has a major calming effect on me.

If I say to a friend, "Bad day. I need a drink," they know that I mean a chocolate milk. I swear, one sip and my entire body goes, "Ahhhhh."

It's my drug. I actually feel mellowed out after I have junk food, most especially chocolate.

If anxiety gets the better of me, I've tried hypnosis and it actually works. They're basically just teaching you some great relaxation techniques.

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Posted by: ambivalent exmo ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 09:43AM

Aha! Chocolate.
And Bach. Goldberg Variations. Those are working well for me :)
And road trips through the amazing az landscape with dh and the motorcycle.
It's my new godhead, my new religion.
Chocolate, Bach, and the bike.
Halleluja.

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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 09:42PM

I have a place in my garden where I sit and I center myself. I draw a lot of strength visually from the beauty of it. Because of this I work hard to keep it beautiful. I am actually addicted to flowers and I don't mean that casually. My florist bill would frighten most people.

It calms me, clears my head, and allows me to focus and plan. The planning of what to do makes me feel like I have some control. When you feel like you have some control, your spirits begin to lift and anxiety or fear recedes.

The problems are still there, the fear is still there, but if you have a plan then you have a substantial offense.

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 10:40PM

You and I have so much in common.

I'm a plant addict. It literally pains me to see a plant suffer. I get a lot of joy out of tending plants and helping them thrive. They pay back many times over.
Some of them, I eat.



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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 01:04AM

Ha Ha. I am picturing you eating a fern.

I might be certifiable. I never tire of watching my roses go through every stage of their bloom. I like the old roses the most. So open, the golden centers completely exposed. So fragile, so layered.

They are like nothing you get from a florist,you know those pretty roses, but all the same, all at the same stage, all the perfect length, all inspected, all interchangeable--like mormons.

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 01:12AM

I love Just Joey he's my favorite. I grow Mr. Lincoln because my daughter loves him.

I have about 20 different roses. I love, love them all. They each have their flaws and their perfections.

I always have flowers in my house. I can't live without them. I love looking at them through a magnifying glass. It's a whole other world. Not everyone understands.

Do you have a favorite rose?



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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 01:28AM

Geez, we might have been separated at birth. I always have flowers in my house. I get the same rush from putting them together as I do from painting. Actually I do paintings of them.

My favorite rose is called Mother of Pearl. I can't live without Eureka or First Prize. I grow a lot of coleus an put that with them.

You've got to check out this photographer. davidleaser.com

Go to the flowers category and check out Blue Moon.

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 01:37AM

I don't have mother of pearl. I will have to check that one out. We built a new house, I'm putting in a new rose garden. All of my loves, and maybe some new ones. I live in Puget Sound, does mother of pearl do well in my climate, do you know?

I will look up the photographer.(did that) He's amazing! I'll be up all night looking at that. I also paint flowers. I never wanted to paint people or animals,but took a couple of workshops that are changing my style and subject matter. I will always love flowers though. I paint watercolor, acrylic, and do some collage. I took a workshop from Robert burridge, changed everything about my flower paintings.

Have you ever been to Heirloom roses in Oregon. I love that place!



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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 01:43AM

As much as I love roses, I have very few spots in my garden that they do well. I don't know how Mother of Pearl would do in Puget Sound. I am in Los Angeles in the hills. I have to keep them all in pots because of a relentless gopher scourge. Mother of Pearl is the hardiest rose I have. It's done as well as the Mr. Lincoln which is indestructible here. If you can find it, you will love it.

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Posted by: Mia ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 01:59AM

We will have to e mail each other so we can talk about our flower and painting obsessions. Not too many people get what all the excitement is about. I'm Jealous you life in LA. So many things you can grow there that I can't.

My goal this month is to put in a lilac garden. White, blue, purple, pink, red, yellow. Someday they will make a fabulous flower arrangement.

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Posted by: xyz ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 02:14AM

http://www.vintagegardens.com/

Unfortunately they are almost out of business due to the sucky economy. But their website is amazing & informative.

Cheers!

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Posted by: blueorchid ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 09:47AM

Yes, I would love to see your art and flowers. Lets.

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Posted by: hello ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 09:46PM

I meditate at least 2 hours a day. When I have emotional issues, I take them inside, and talk to supreme lord and satguru. I am always comforted and edified by these conversations. I receive solutions to immediate problems causing disturbance.

Then I rest within my pineal body, which is itself within the great shivling of Shiva.



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Posted by: lbenni ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 09:46PM

I go to God. I had a very good nevermo father. So I relate to God as a wonderful good presence.

As we <speak> I am listening to KLOVE on itunes. go to radio>religous>Klove.

It is wonderful and uplifting. I left the LDS, inc in 2006 ( inactive) and officially in 2010.

I have gone to other churches, but know am just spending Sundays resting from my active, retired new life of freedom.

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Posted by: tensolator ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 10:48PM

Captain Morgan's ship...

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Posted by: quinlansolo ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 10:50PM


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Date: April 30, 2012 10:51PM


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Posted by: tiptoes ( )
Date: April 30, 2012 10:54PM

I email Anagrammy!

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Posted by: turnonthelights ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 12:17AM

Nowhere. I am alone.

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Posted by: capnjack ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 01:15AM

I shake hands with fear, for it is the truth that alludes me.

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Posted by: baura ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 01:17AM

When I'm afraid, I find comfort in terrorizing someone even weaker and more helpless than I am.

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Posted by: bignevermo ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 03:04PM

LOLOLOL

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Date: May 01, 2012 01:58AM


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Posted by: MJ ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 01:58AM

I just never have thought of fear in that way.

Fear is an emotion that, in a way, is telling me I should not be comfortable. It is telling me I should be on alert for danger, not being comforted. I respect that. When I feel fear, I want to first figure out if I really have something to be afraid of. If I don't, the fear goes away. If I do, then there is something I need to deal with and I deal with it the best I can. If it is something that I can't deal with alone, then I get support.

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Posted by: ladyfarrier ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 02:35AM

I get on a horse and just ride far away from people, and keep going until my mind settles and I feel calm.

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Posted by: EssexExMo ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 04:08AM

The Sea.
After my dad died, I drove for a while, and then ended up at a shingle beach on the Isle of Sheppey. I had the beach to myself for about 3 hours (it was October) Until it started to rain, and I headed back home, feeling better than before.

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Posted by: bignevermo ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 03:06PM


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Posted by: Timothy ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 02:14PM

Usually goes something like this:

"No, honey, I'm afraid the Cowboys are gonna blow it again!"

Timothy

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Posted by: Human ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 02:33PM

Poetry.

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Posted by: lbenni ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 02:57PM

Yoga at the YMCA. My local YMCA is becoming a very safe and friendly place with lots of people wanting alignment in mind, spirit and body.

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Posted by: exmo99 ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 03:07PM

Fishing. I go fishing.

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Posted by: quebec ( )
Date: May 01, 2012 03:18PM

There are 4 things in which I find comfort:

- I put on music and dance like crazy.

- I watch something in which the main character has to fight and is victorious (For example, I liked watching Sydney Bristow kick some butts ...only in the first season though, I sort of 'disconnected' from the series with season 2)

-I go in my head and imagine a story. It usually has a bit of my own life in it with lots of things from books I've read or movies I've watched. And I can have the story go the way I want it to go.

-I go for long walks

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