okay, i'm not mormon i admit but i've had it up to here. i'm retiring very soon from the army and i have to deal with students who are mormons. honestly they are driving me nuts. they go off on missions and expect to be catered to. it's not that i don't respect their beliefs, but it gets worse. i cuss sometimes...i've been in the military 20 years. they get all worked up, and ask me to be stop. these guys are going to be warriors and they can't take a little bad language. i'm so sick of them. toughen up already.
rant off haha

sorry to be so windy. i enjoy reading this board and just wanted to finally come up on the board and say a few things.

george ferris

I hope you kept on cussing after they asked you to stop. I was a clean-mouthed mormon too, but even I couldn't stand that kind of self-righteousness.

From many angles, its a good thing you are retiring soon.

Navy veteran, 1979-84.

And as far as dealing with Mormons having trouble with cussing, if you'll allow me:

CONSIDER THE SOURCE! (them, not you)



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What's your relationship to these mormons?

The military was a big factor in cracking my mormon shell. When I was a new LT I refused to go to the O-club for "O-call". My BN CDR was nice about it and said fine don't go. He went out of his way to tell others that I didn't have to go.

One of the problems with Mormonism is that they take advantage of tolerance like that. They expect to be treated speshul. But they have massive prejudices themselves.

They have a mote-in-your-eye/beam-in-their-eye issue. They'll call you out for a cussword or for drinking/smoking, but when it gets down to the nuts and bolts of DUTY they're no better than someone who does those things. I've seen mormons including myself make the wrong moral call when it's obvious to everyone else, because their moral code is childish.

What's o-call?

It's an informal meeting at the officer's club where senior officers mentor junior officers. Possibly ironically, this is where they express their values/morals.

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That's strange - I never heard about "o-call" when I was on active duty. Is it a newer phenomenon, or . . . ?

I'm not understanding why someone would refuse to go?

Oh I see. I didn't know that.

Yes, but for teetotalers like me, they also serve non-alcoholic beverages and food as well.

I never understood why people who have beliefs expect others to re-inforce it as well. You cant go around telling people how to behave around you. God gave us free will for a reason! People like this are niave... someday they are going to run into the wrong person and get the S#&% beat out of them for telling them what to do.

"I never understood why people who have beliefs expect others to re-inforce it as well."

Only one reason: unacknowledged inner doubt.

"I can't seem to get comfortable with my mormon beliefs - can you help me?"

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Interesting take. TBMs ask others to conform to their "standards" thinking it will convert others. The search for validation and bolstering is the whole purpose of the missionary effort. What a collosal waste... Says I.

GFJ: thanks for your service.

We have a number of posters who served, myself included.

(And where is Samuel Flying Horse?)

He hasn't posted here in a while, but I'm watching him on the dreaded book of the face. He's out of the service and living back in the Alaska.

If you're in Utah or other Mormon strongholds, many Mormons feel entitled to special treatment because they are "serving the lord".

I taught German at the U as a TA for a couple of years. Mormons are certainly not the only people who feel entitled to special treatment, but when they comprise a majority, they feel perfectly comfortable asking for special treatment.

I once took a yoga class through campus rec at the U. On the first day of class, the instructor took the entire time to explain to any potential Mormons in the class why they didn't need to worry that taking a yoga class would somehow conflict with their religious beliefs.

All I could think of at the time was, if you're too immature to be exposed to differing world views, you are also too immature to actually attend a university.

I don't really have any advice, but just wanted to show a little support. Been there. Best of luck to you.

"I never understood why people who have beliefs expect others to re-inforce it as well"

Yeah I know I don't understand it either. But they've been told for ever that they must not be afraid to 'defend the truth', stand up and speak up, etc. so I think in this case they're probably trying to follow the story about swk who asked an orderly in the hospital to not take his dear lord's name in vain cause he's his friend and all that (and probably also js story of rebuking the jailers)



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"they go off on missions and expect to be catered to"

How, exactly?

Also, why not toughen up yourself? If you don't want to cater to a person going off on a mission (whatever the hell that means), then don't.

Expectations.

RMs live a higher degree of 'righteous expectations' to live up to.

I find that they call attention to swear words so that they can get the upper hand and make you come crawling up to them for forgiveness. I'm not sure if they're being strategically offended or if they're just narrow minded. I get it from my Mormon relatives, and it's very annoying. They derail the conversation to comment on the words I've used, and it's hard to make it through to the point. It's like navigating a minefield.

Yes, the faux offense red herring is always annoying, I agree.

Thank you for your service!

I think that they've been indoctrinated in Young Men's Program about how people LISTEN and RESPECT them when they stand up to such vile sins as swearing.

Profit Spencer Kimball was in the hospital and an orderly used an offensive word. Kimball turned to him and said "don't say that, that's the name of my friend, you're using in vain.

Add a few more stories like that and they think (like I did) that non-mormons APPRECIATE and ADMIRE this behavior. They are told that the rest of the world looks up to them.

If it helps explain it at all at least a few of those Mormons were explicitly taught to ask people not to cuss around them. I certainly was.

if you really wanna ruffle those mormon feathers. say Hold to the Rod,the iron rod, Then say nah, "i'll take a woman any day. I don't need to hold to the rod!!!!!!! " pay attention to their reaction. Hold to the rod is a hymn that mormons sing at church, but everyone else thinks it is about masturbation.

So if you are sick of self rigteous mormons, this is a way to have fun with them. HEHEHE

One of my seminary teachers told us a recent story of his nephew in Marine Basic Training. People found out that he was mormon and didnt swear so they told the Drill Instructor and he had him doing pushups until he finally swore. He just kept doing pushups and didnt cave and because of that the church is true. I hope the Drill Instructors really made his life hell after that..

thank you for your service, swear away you earned it