The cops took me first to a detention center in the middle of night some years ago, I had been heavily drunk an walked around yelling and screaming around some railway tracks where I live. I was unhappy because I had been bullied and exploited at a working place for months and lost a lot of money. It was also during this time I had came to the conclusion that my abrahamtic-orientation had put me into lots of trouble. I learned to know it was not worth anything, it was non-sense but enough nonsense to take my sanity away, there was nothing there and I was "gone".

One important thing I learned to know is that som of the personal at the asylum also used the double bind to take control over me. They used tactics to make me feel that I had no right to feel and think what I did, other personal let me have my opinion.

So I guess the double bind can be used in many ways.

Three hours every Sunday...

Awesome answer :)

No. I get the analogy. There is an aptness to it: The LDS church uses mind control; personnel at a mental health facility may do the same (I think there are few actual Cuckoo's Nests with Nurse Ratcheds running around and more places trying to help people).

Both places will have "Manipulators" but only some of us get free. (Pretty easy to see that Mormonism was begun by a gifted manipulator.)

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest might be a good book for a Mormon.

See also Doris Lessing, Briefing for a Descent into Hell and Joanne Greenberg, I Never Promised You a Rose Garden.

Lots of instances of double-bind behavior analyzed and teased apart or transcended in all three books. All set in "asylums."

Good reading advice derrida. Thank you!

I have taken people to asylums. I actually feel good about it, because we have a first rate mental health facility in my area, and I know the person is getting the kind of help they need.

As far as I can think, every cop I know acts responsibly when trying to take persons to such facilities. Occasionally they want to fight, and unfortunately no one has invented a non-lethal device for cops that can subdue violent persons without causing pain. For your sake I hope that you, and anyone else who finds themselves in that situation co-operate, so that everyone can eventually be reunited with their loved ones.

Wow, I bet that was some really hard times in your life. I bet there are many many people on here that can relate in some sense. The settings have to be just right, and the bullying thing will get ya. Nothing hurts more to me than to be bullied by a group of people. I was bullied in jr. high(pretty LDS girls, mean mean people, I lived in a trailer)

and a bit at work in Pocatello when I took over for a sick first grade teacher--that teacher bullied me when she returned(and actually all along the way, her daughter was the aide in that class and didn't like me for no reason from the first day, she rarely showed up at work anyhow), the actual teacher was MIA along the whole way and was pretty much better two or three weeks before her return... I was happy when she returned, the last day I was there, she came in an hour before the day was over, when we were having a going away party...then she left without notice staying maybe 1 or 2 minutes. I thought she would stay so we could discuss the last three months...nope...her and her daughter fluffed their feathers and left??)...zero communication from her. Thank goodness the other three 1st grade teachers stepped in and helped me at the beginning. It was very hard on me when I got word in the end that she told the 2nd grade teachers that I did nothing...(a girl that was doing her student teaching in 2nd grade told me over a dinner at applebees like 2 months after that assignment) The student teacher also said that the other 1st grade teachers in the meeting stood up for me. They said I did the best I could and did a good job. It still cut deep and I felt sad for many days and still hurts a bit.

I have felt like I could snap here and there and leaving the 'church' the only thing I had ever known amplifies everything. You feel like you are starting from ground zero...where to go...what to do....?? I wouldn't mind taking a sludge hammer to a ward building, just for you know...punching the wall purposes.

People will leave...there will be no more 'church' in due time. Then we will have the last laugh and help the fragile people coming out into the light. Let's not be as cruel to them as they were to us.



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Do you mean a mental hospital, detox, or a place like Arkham from Batman?

edit- I'm not being snarky or facetious. I'm actually curous what you mean, because I can relate my experiences with two out of the three.



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read The Allegory of the Cave by Plato. I read it at 19 while I was attending BYU-I. I was in Arizona working-Mesa, living with my sister. worked at Jamba Juice and Mervyns, department store...missing 'my missionary' in Japan.

I took one class online and really dove into it. I spent many hours in the Mesa Library really focusing on everything it was bringing to mind. One of the assignments was to read and analyze The Allegory of the Cave.. in small sections and then write the meaning of them to me. - Thank you 'Brother' Peck I believe his name is. I took World Civilization very seriously and to heart because of how you had your on-line class set up. I actually did the work.

When I read the truth about the Mormon Church (age-22) I kept on going back to that reading and how those men(Aristole, Plato, Socratese) were so far above their time but in their time cause people are always the same along history. They just weren't afraid to tell it like it is.

Homo-Sapiens are driven by human nature and are hard headed. They will fight tooth and nail when change arises because that's all they know. People don't like to be told they are wrong. If it's not broken then why fix it type of attitude. It is broken people...science broke it. I can say sorry...it is...but I am not SORRY...I am overjoyed that science has set me free. It's not a theory--it's fact. Remember the scientific method from jr. high?? use it!

ohhh...and the best is..."ya...holistic, philosophies of men."

hahahahhahahah...stop, you are making me laugh silly person. I am also pissed and not talking to you too...cause you are a dumb person.

BIG LEAUGE those that won't rise to the occasion. that is the only way to get things through people's head- the hard headed ones. They lose you in their life...they can no longer manipulate you. You aren't giving them that power. Work on yourself and become strong. You don't need those rude people in your life that won't face facts.

Like Joseph Smith wasn't a man... a man that told lies out his waazooo for a little waazooo of women and power. He needed the insane asylum- not us, the Mormon madness needs to stop! I am still a spiritual person and love light and good things...always have...nothing to do with Mormonism.