I was at my TBM folk's house last weekend and in the bedroom there was a church news left open to an article about overcoming porn addiction. I'm assuming they had it for me, as I used to look at porn quite a bit when I was po'd about things, and I think my wife told everyone.

Anyway, there was a photo of a guy who had a problem, and I'm thinking, what kind of fool would let his photo go worldwide about such an issue?

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/60032/From-fear-to-hope-overcoming-pornography-addiction-is-possible.html

What do they consider an addiction ? I'm sure just the thought of a naked woman is an addiction to those fanatics.

Sometimes,because I find women beautiful, I have a desire to look at them. Naked. I don't rob houses to do so or go on 3 day binges and not show up for work.

It's too bad Mormons have so much trouble with porn addiction. I hope with articles like that from the Mormon church, they can overcome their problems and rejoin the rest of the world.

In a way my views aren't that strong about it even now. But what I've seen in my own life is my relationships with men who compulsively look at pornography are not as intimate as my relationships with men who have no desire for it, even though I respected their decision to look at it. Maybe that's not how it is with all men, but that's just my personal experience.

Not sure how it became the business of your ENTIRE family though. You're a grown man, so it's a little strange.

The Mormon Church doesn't consider its members of any age to be adults who can make their own decisions or capable of making their own mistakes and correcting them.

For what it is worth, up to a point porn isn't indicative of anything for me except libido. Past a point it is a sign of feeling distant in my relationship or overstressed. What helps then is not more porn, but more connection (both nonsexual and sexual) with my partner and reducing my stress.

Rather than see excess as an "addiction" and something to freak out about, I see it as a signal that I need to make some corrections and changes. That, of course, is not The Mormon Way--they'd rather I freak and feel guilty and ashamed.

Thanks for your perspective on this. I can see how it is an outlet for some deeper issues when taken to a certain point. As a woman, I have looked at porn and it was during a time when I was very lonely with no real support. Pornography served as an outlet for my feelings of abandonment and lack of intimacy.

I don't view porn as the end of the world or a threat to every relationship, but if the person avoids dealing with their deeper issues by compulsively looking at it then it is a real area of concern. Just as it would be if their outlet were compulsively getting on Facebook, playing WoW all day, or spending 8 hours a day at the gym. Addictions take many forms. None is more healthy than the other.

OF COURSE, you are addicted to porn! Anyone who has ever had any kind of sexual inkling is addicted to porn!
The only ones who are not addicted to porn are people who vehemently complain about it! like LDS leaders & vested LDS porn recovery clinic operators.
We can all look forward to the day when LDS Inc can stop complaining about porn addiction ....

& start whining & complaining about low LDS birth rates because no one gives a damn about sex anymore!
(remember when LDS Inc's biggest bitch about the internet was porn, instead of foul LDS history being outed? LMAO!)

Marriott won't be pulling porn from his services cause the boys in SLC want his tithing money from his lucrative income source. It has been reported he makes more money from his adult offerings than he does from his basic hotel service. If the boys in SLC would tell him to pull the service he would. The fact he hasn't, in spite of all the press he has received on the subject, tells us the real thinking of the SLC boys - after all he is one of their chosen high officials - BYU buildings and all. As I sit in the temple I often wonder just how much of this building was financed by Marriott's porn tithing money. The Lord knows - and allows it! After all - it's his church isn't it?

If it is good enough for Marriotts then it is good enough for everyone...lol

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/hotel-porn-ban-county-votes-hotels-adult-movies/story?id=11587257&page=2

Send that article to them

I guess the guests can tear pages out of the complimentary Book of Mormon to clean themselves up after masturbating to the pay-per-view porn.

Maybe your dad wants you to help the bishops wife overcome her porn addiction?

Is it just me or does the article read like parody?

"We don't wring our hands; we need to roll up our sleeves and get to work."

"I was really hard on myself."

"I am not paddling her canoe and she is not paddling mine," he said. Instead they are each moving in the same direction, side by side. To reach the beautiful place they seek, both have to keep moving forward, he explained."

The difference between addiction and recreation is that you feel uncomfortable when you stop an addiction. It depends on the persons reaction when stopping or considering stopping the activity.

Since handcarts are one of my pet peeves with the morg I found the handcart reference to be ridiculously funny. I saw the pic of the handcart and was wondering if there a going to be a story about how making models of handcarts saved the lost soul from his porn addiction. Like scrapbooking for men or something.

i like how a link to "Quidditch: Not just for the movies" is on the right column of the official news website for the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints =) lol =)

Tom Lehrer's intro and lyrics for "SMUT:"

**************

I do have a cause though. It is obscenity. I'm for it. Unfortunately the civil liberties types who are fighting this issue have to fight it owing to the nature of the laws as a matter of freedom of speech and stifling of free expression and so on but we know what's really involved: dirty books are fun. That's all there is to it. But you can't get up in a court and say that I suppose. It's simply a matter of freedom of pleasure, a right which is not guaranteed by the Constitution unfortunately. Anyway, since people seem to be marching for their causes these days I have here a march for mine. It's called...

Smut!
Give me smut and nothing but!
A dirty novel I can't shut,
If it's uncut,
and unsubt- le.

I've never quibbled
If it was ribald,
I would devour where others merely nibbled.
As the judge remarked the day that he
acquitted my Aunt Hortense,
"To be smut
It must be ut-
Terly without redeeming social importance."

Por-
Nographic pictures I adore.
Indecent magazines galore,
I like them more
If they're hard core.

(Bring on the obscene movies, murals, postcards, neckties,
samplers, stained-glass windows, tattoos, anything!
More, more, I'm still not satisfied!)

Stories of tortures
Used by debauchers,
Lurid, licentious, and vile,
Make me smile.
Novels that pander
To my taste for candor
Give me a pleasure sublime.
(Let's face it, I love slime.)

All books can be indecent books
Though recent books are bolder,
For filth (I'm glad to say) is in
the mind of the beholder.
When correctly viewed,
Everything is lewd.
(I could tell you things about Peter Pan,
And the Wizard of Oz, there's a dirty old man!)

I thrill
To any book like Fanny Hill,
And I suppose I always will,
If it is swill
And really fil-
thy.

Who needs a hobby like tennis or philately?
I've got a hobby: rereading Lady Chatterley.
But now they're trying to take it all
away from us unless
We take a stand, and hand in hand
we fight for freedom of the press.
In other words,

Smut! (I love it)
Ah, the adventures of a slut.
Oh, I'm a market they can't glut,
I don't know what
Compares with smut.

Hip hip hooray!
Let's hear it for the Supreme Court!
Don't let them take it away!

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Hear Tom sing it at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzmtYkPCQgg



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"His wife became hyper vigilant in her quest to find the family help."

I am not laying the guilt of his actions at her feet, but I can guess what she did then from there on out once she found our...or heck..even before it was known just due to the toxic theology of mormonism on sex and sexuality...let me guess...

1. weaponized sex on him to be a 'cure', it's "SEX that causes this!" (not the fact that we are just inherently SEXUAL beings...), unless he is an authoritarian patriarchal 'you submit to me' jerk (not outlined here, but possible),

2.She raped his Internet Search History and paid it more attention than him, put him on an emotional tight leash and used all manner of theology against him.

3. Anytime he wanted intimacy, "You looking at porn again!?"

4. Missionary position only...the rest is EEEVIL!!!!

5. Since they were around during, "Oral sex is evil according to the brethren" speech in the 80's, as well as BKP, "Lil' Factory that Could" speech, I am sure she and he have had quite the hellacious guilt trips and internal guilts over a lot of things due to the theological war on Sex during the course of their marriage as it is, and so as a MALE with a PULSE, his yearning to fight against the unnatural and impious idea that 'denial is purity', that is so believed by the religious as truth..it is not, didn't do him any favors either.

These are such BS stories for they NEVER bring up the DAMAGE the theology does to relationships in terms of sex. All of the Jacob 5 speeches, "Pine Box than sex" speeches, Licked cupcake speeches, ...ad infinitum, just to realize what type of ALPHA MALE Joseph Smith was...it's a box of contradictions... I would be shocked to learn that the very 12 themselves aren't using their Urim and Thummim's to look up heavenly booty on Deity's Search Engine.

It's all just a big mashup of guilt over being a sexual creature with inborn characteristics and the church has to jump on the porn to avoid any introspection into it's role (Joseph Smith) in the sexual damage.

I could go on for a long time..but I will stop.

If they are going to leave a magazine open for you to break your porn "habit", I think you owe it to them to show them the other side of the issue. I think a Penthouse magazine left open to the apropriate page, left in that same bedroom after you leave, might get the point across.

Or you could just tell them it's none of their damn business.

Men, those evil bastards!

"Jill C. Manning, a marriage and family therapist in Colorado who testified before a U.S. Senate subcommittee on the harms of pornography in 2005, said when a North American woman — who views herself as her husband's equal — learns he has been viewing multiple images of other women, it is a sexual, emotional and spiritual betrayal."

"We have ceremonies called weddings that give witness to the exclusivity of that relationship," Sister Manning said. "We are to cherish and honor one another. The sexual relationship is the one thing that makes that relationship different than any other relationship."

Well Jill maybe some women are more equal than others. You get to define all North American women and you get to define marriage.

Let's get your husband a t-shirt that says "Jill Manning is God".