I have been reading the posts of Steve Benson.It seems that Tome Monson is guilty of what Paul Dunn was guilty of according to Steve`s research.

How long will we wait until this makes news in the local and national press?how long until the church makes a statement about the matter.

It'll get swept under the rug like everything else. Nationally, it will go nowhere - no one gives a rat's ass. For us it's a big deal because it just reinforces our knowledge that the church is based on lies.

One prophecy I'm willing to make is that this whopper's tale isn't going away any time soon.

If you don't believe that doc then you don't know Steve Benson.

Give it a whirl.

Pins and needles, Steve! Thx for the update.

He died a few days ago at age 82 in Ketchum, Idaho, was the editor who hired me some 30 years ago and won a Bronze Star in Korea.

His name was Pat Murphy.

He was a great guy, a good friend, an awesome boss, a fantastic mentor and a genuine hero in his own right:

http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005138834



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Hey I remember Pat Murphy.

Bill Straus used to have him on his talk show once a week, live from Ketchum.

The guy was all about integrity.

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Too bad the same was not at all true for the Duke.

But there I go again waxing OT.

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Oh please don't.

Fake war heroes are a dime a dozen.

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Wile we're waitin around has anyone seen the secret Kolob handshake picture of Tommy welcoming George W Bush?

It was on the lds website believe it or not but of course it got quickly taken down.

Same kind of a not so secret shake that Gordo had earlier shared with Chaney iirc.

. . . the Mormon Cult can then also admit that Monson manufactured, embellished and/or lied about much of his Patton tale--and still survive to fib another day.

Monson will not, I predict, go down on this Flubbed Boat of his, although those teetering on the edge of their faith who need just a little bit more of a push provided by evidence (like the magic storybook Monson account on Patton, which itself further proves that Monson is no prophet) will probably jump overboard.

(Which--who knows?--may have been what Patton did off Saipan in the summer of '44).

P.S.--Actually, that Patton death scenario seems highly unlikely (not to mention not very faith promoting), given that Patton was, according to the U.S.S. White Plains crew change log of July 1944, reported as "missing" due to his "own misconduct." Further, the Navy's 1946 U.S. compilation of WW II casualties for the entire span of the war listed those who were killed, wounded or missing but did not list those who died by suicide. (It also, by the way, did not only fail to list Arthur Patton as having died by anything, it therefore didn't mention him at all. Unless Patton killed himself--which the Plains' crew log does not indicate and which is apparently not verified anywhere else--then he wasn't killed in combat, at least not according to official U.S. military records which do not confirm that Patton was KIA. That fact alone seems to torpedo Monson's claim that Patton died in combat, supposedly having been "lost at sea" fighting the Japanese enemy off the coast of Saipan in 1944.

Go figure. Go fiction. Go bye-bye faith.

And for TBMs: Go Mormonism! (where the facts don't matter). Rah! Rah! Rah!



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And the original story as an attempt to protect the innocent by changing names and places.

This was the one where Monson totally misrepresented Patton's death details, falsely claiming that:

a) Patton died on 8 May 1942;

(b) Patton was onboard the U.S.S. Lexington when he died on 8 May 1942; and

(c) Patton died in the Coral Sea fighting the Japanese when the U.S.S. Lexington went down on 8 May 1942.
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All three of those claims by the then-non-elder, early-forties Monson are demonstrably, provably and factually flat-out wrong:

a) Patton was alive throughout 1942-43 and didn't show up missing from his ship's crew manifest until July 1944;

b) Patton was aboard the U.S.S. White Plains when on 2 July 1944 he was categorized on that ship's transfer list as "missing," on account of his "own misconduct" (with Patton's mother later telling Monson that her son died on 5 July 1944, with no explanation provided by Monson through Patton's mother on how, where or under what circumstances Patton died); and

(c) the U.S.S. White Plains, at that time Patton turned up missing (along with a fellow shipmate named Pauley), was near Saipan, not in the Coral Sea. (Monson. without citing any confirming sources whatsoever, goes on to claim in his 2007 revision of the Patton saga that Patton was "lost at sea" during "combat" against "the enemy" in the Saipan theater, where he "died quickly").

And why would Monson want to protect the names and places per "the innocent," since in his version of events concerning Patton, he openly portrayed Patton as heroically innocent from the get-go and throughout? Monson certainly wasn't keeping Patton's name a secret or disguising where he said Patton lived and went to school while Monson was spinning his boyhood tale about him. And in his second version of events delivered in 2007, Monson continues to mention Patton and Patton's places. If Monson was trying to protect the innocent. he would have never mentioned Patton by name or place, period.



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is that it allows us to keep fresh the memory of the Paul Dunn debacle...and inspire further research into the stories of other General Authorities.

Do you think TSM is the only one telling whoppers? The field is white and ready to harvest!

Let's face it.

Monson has been caught out.
Provably and factually caught out.
Not only that, he's been caught out spinning a tall tale in 1969 and caught out again 42 years later.
Items he claims as facts in both tales turn out to be falsehoods. He first contradicts himself and is then contradicted by historical records.

I'm guessing there's a bit of a flap going on right now down at the COB and in the PR department particularly. Some kind of press release will need to be issued sooner rather than later because at some point Ms Fletcher Stack will publish an article on it, unless some other journa beats her to the punchline.

Perhaps if a cartoon was to be drawn about it....

A few more lies to cover the lies, problem solved.

We thank thee oh gawd for a profit.

There are other inconsistencies, peculiarities and otherwise questionable aspects about Monson's tales vs. the facts as we are able to determine them directly, or deduce them rationally.

My final organization of it all will contain specific references which will be cited, and in some cases linked (when not in violation of copyright law; otherwise, I will transcribe and describe the pertinent documents in detail).

The material will be designed to have as much easily digestible and categorized information as possible regarding Monson's Patton stories, approached from a variety of perspectives, with various interpretations and explanations of the claims and evidences which are required to arrive at justifiable, hard assessments or to warrant informed speculation.

There is not enough available data at this point to answer all questions or to fill all gaps. Some evidence is out there but not yet available (such as certain census records), or simply remains elusive.

Nevertheless, there is, in my opinion, certainly enough documentable, sourced and reliable evidence to reach reasonable conclusions and, even in the absence of complete evidentiary pictures, to still arrive at logical deductions as to the credibility of Monson's claims.

Monson's stories were, in my opinion, already full of holes and his ship was listing badly. I think think that the evidence, brought together in one place, might stop the forward motion of his vessel and result in efforts at heavy bailing--if that is even able to help at this point.

Who knows if the Good Ship Monson-Pop will remain afloat? I'm not saying it will sink; but it clearly is in the process of taking on water.



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They might not be manning the COB lifeboats yet but you can bet they've laid in a plentiful 2 year supply of Pepsi for God's golden mouthpiece.

Way to go Tommy boy.

And puulease, don't ever change!