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Posted by: Anonymous 2 ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 07:52PM

April General Conference!?? Another old geezer!??(not to offend any here of course!!)

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 08:10PM


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Posted by: nuttinfornow ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 08:11PM


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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 11:17PM

I wouldn’t mind running the cult. The church is a corporation and the prophet is the only stock holder. You would become a mult-billionaire on paper. See most members don’t realize they are legally members of nothing. Only the prophet is a member. The rest of the church are just volunteers with a few being actual employees. Your tithing money is a donation. It buys you nothing.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 08:24PM

The new profit will likely be announced (and put in place) this Sunday. That's typical.
He just won't be "affirmed" by unanimous vote until conference in April.

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Posted by: cheezus ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 04:24PM

Pink handkerchiefs for the Hosannah shout in April. Awww yeaaaa!!!

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 08:34PM

Who will run the morgue till a new president is announced?

Exactly the same person, or coterie, who have been running it for the last several years!

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 08:38PM

Yeah, it's not like Monson was anything more than barely breathing the last few years... :)

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 09:17PM

You'll disagree with me, of course, HieTwoCholob :( But Elder Monson has just had a very rude awakening.

"Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?" (Ezk. 33.11 ESV)

"Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full." (Mat. 6.6b)

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Posted by: Amyjo ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 09:28PM

Unlike you, Caffiend, I disagree that Monson will find himself in the bowels of hell now that he's crossed over.

God created a diverse world for a reason. A loving god would not cast off his creation because they weren't born or converted to Christianity.

He looks upon the heart it is said in scripture, not the outward appearances.

Religion is good only insofar as it helps someone to be a better person. Not to be condemning. If Jesus Christ taught anything it was not to cast judgment on sinners or the unrighteous. He taught us to love everyone, and condemned no one.

Christian zealots have distorted the word and meaning of pure religion as Christ taught. He thought, lived, and died as a Jew. Not a Christian. Jews condemn no one, including those of other religion or secular unless they commit to doing evil to others. There are many paths that lead back to the source of our Creator. Christians are worser zealots than Mormons are f.y.i. When they condemn other religions.

The one thing I carried with me from my Mormon teachings is that basically everyone is saved except for the worst sinners, like Judas Iscariot. I don't believe in the Mormon heaven or afterlife. I do believe that God's grace is available to all his children regardless of what religion they ascribe to. If it were otherwise he would not have created such a diverse population.

Btw, Mormons accept and believe in JC. By definition, that makes Monson a Christian - even as he belongs to a peculiar Christian cult.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2018 09:30PM by Amyjo.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 09:47PM

Well said, Amyjo!

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Posted by: Von Murp ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 09:57PM

Amyjo Wrote:
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> Unlike you, Caffiend, I disagree that Monson will
> find himself in the bowels of hell now that he's
> crossed over.

What crossing over to where?

> God created a diverse world for a reason. A loving
> god would not cast off his creation because they
> weren't born or converted to Christianity.

How do you know a god exists?

> He looks upon the heart it is said in scripture,
> not the outward appearances.
>
> Religion is good only insofar as it helps someone
> to be a better person. Not to be condemning. If
> Jesus Christ taught anything it was not to cast
> judgment on sinners or the unrighteous. He taught
> us to love everyone, and condemned no one.

Have you read the New Testament?! Christ, at least as supposedly in said text, is loaded with condemnation of wicked this, Pharisees that, etc. And Paul took it up a notch.

> Christian zealots have distorted the word and
> meaning of pure religion as Christ taught. He
> thought, lived, and died as a Jew. Not a
> Christian. Jews condemn no one, including those of
> other religion or secular unless they commit to
> doing evil to others. There are many paths that
> lead back to the source of our Creator. Christians
> are worser zealots than Mormons are f.y.i. When
> they condemn other religions.

Syncretism is a joke. Competing truth claims cannot all be equally correct. Either one religion is correct or they are all wrong. (Hint, it is the latter.)

> The one thing I carried with me from my Mormon
> teachings is that basically everyone is saved
> except for the worst sinners, like Judas Iscariot.
> I don't believe in the Mormon heaven or afterlife.
> I do believe that God's grace is available to all
> his children regardless of what religion they
> ascribe to. If it were otherwise he would not have
> created such a diverse population.

See above. And make sure you have enough crayons in that safe space of yours.

> Btw, Mormons accept and believe in JC. By
> definition, that makes Monson a Christian - even
> as he belongs to a peculiar Christian cult.

Monson headed a controlling, manipulative, greedy, mind-bending, life-destroying cult. If there is an afterlife, and I don't believe in one, one would hope he's in a very warm climate now.

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Posted by: spiritist ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 10:38PM

Although, I do not believe in Hell. I am not sure about Karma but some past life hypnotists infer they have had clients with 'extreme' incarnations following each other. How many are necessary ---- who knows.

There is a possibility 'Karma' may come to play in Monson's situation.

He likely 'knew' Mormonism was a scam, it separated families and killed gays. All to make the church and those connected wealthy.

Based on Karma an 'extreme' like this sets up for and 'extreme' life in future incarnations.

One can only imagine what the 'opposite extreme' could mean.

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Posted by: Anonymous1234 ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 10:54PM

Knowing Mormon church priorities, just since his death, Monson has probably raised enough money to air-condition all of hell, and negotiated a deal with Satin to start building temples there.

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Posted by: Afraid of the Boogie Brethren ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 12:24AM

AmyJo....you rock! And ditto!!

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Posted by: Eric3 ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 01:11PM

Muslims also accept and believe in JC.

What they believe about JC isn't the same as what Christians believe.

Not quite so simple as "accept and believe" :)

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 09:34PM

I respect the sentiment, Caffiend.

If there is a God, then as you indicate with your scriptures he will be furious with a man who led such a destructive religion. I appreciate also that you didn't bring the type of religion (Mormonism versus Christianity) into the discussion.

Monson has a lot of suffering, and not an insignificant amount of blood, on his hands.

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Posted by: caffiend ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 10:19PM

Most of the time, Mrs. Lot, I'm on the same page with AmyJo, and I'm looking across the binding at you on the opposite page (from me). And here you and I are mere paragraphs apart!

The New Testament does not support Universalism: "Olley-Olley-In-Come-Free!" As Von Murp points out --the one point I agree with him -- the "Law of Mutual Exclusion" states that somebody is right and somebody is wrong, or perhaps everybody is wrong (the atheist position), but everybody cannot be simultaneously right. More than sincerity is requisite: a person can be very sincerely wrong.

But I admire AmyJo's kind sentiments.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 11:45PM

You summarize the logical options as: someone is right and someone is wrong, or everyone is wrong, but everyone can't be right at the same time.

There is another option: everyone can be both right and wrong at the same time. It is an important principle in the Judeao-Christian religions that God is in important ways unknowable and hence, by extension, that none of us understand him completely. In fact, it would be sacrilege to assert that anyone fully comprehends God's nature and particularly his mercy.

I interpreted your citations as implying that Monson would have problems at judgment because of his actions or inactions rather than his personal beliefs. I hope that is correct. I hope that on this issue, at least we can be on the same page.

In either case, though, it is possible to disagree frequently and profoundly with someone and still respect that person and wish the best for him.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 01:38PM

Lot's Wife Wrote:
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> I interpreted your citations as implying that
> Monson would have problems at judgment because of
> his actions or inactions rather than his personal
> beliefs. I hope that is correct. I hope that on
> this issue, at least we can be on the same page.


Interesting. That's not how I "interpreted" that scripture, since it doesn't say anything at all about judgment (and the idea of an after-life judgment really isn't Jewish/OT belief anyway).

It only spoke of death. And strongly implied that Yahweh didn't take pleasure in killing evil people, he wanted them to turn away from their evil so he wouldn't have to kill them.

But if they didn't, he'd kill them. That was the punishment --death. And end of life. As in "THE end."

Nothing there about after-life judgment, just death. Which isn't at all surprising, as that fits OT Jewish belief perfectly :)

As to whether or not I agree with it...from observation and history, I've gleaned that if a 'god' exists, it doesn't have anything to do with whether people live or die. Good people die, bad people live, and vice-versa. There's no observable correlation between goodness/evilness and living or dying. So I don't feel at all frightened to ignore bible Yahweh's threats :)

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 02:46PM

I may have misread Caffiend's assertions. Seems like I did.

On the question of an afterlife in Jewish thought, I'd quibble with you a bit. When the Judaean elite returned from Babylon, they brought a lot of Zoroastrian ideas--monotheism, God lives in fire, the Book of Job (lifted almost word for word from the Avesta), the apocalypse and judgment, a paradise/afterlife--that entered the OT in the prophetic age. There's a great book on this, Norman Cohn's Chaos, Cosmos, and the World to Come.

But I'm busy today. Hopefully we can discuss this at leisure sometime!

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 04:21PM

I look forward to it :)

I'm aware of what you mentioned (though probably not as versed in it as you are). At any rate, the verses my buddy caffiend quoted above make no mention of afterlife or judgment, only of death (and the NT verse implies their death from being evil is their reward, IMHO). There are, of course, some other OT passages that could/do imply belief in an afterlife...those we'll get to later!

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Posted by: waunderdog ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 08:41PM

The same cabal of guys who were running it while TSM was mentally out of it.

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Posted by: sbj ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 09:46PM

It seems Monson was brainwashed from childhood just like everyone else....doesn't know anything else. I'm sure he thought he was doing the will of God.

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Posted by: Lethbridge Reprobate ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 10:17PM

Won't hey constitute a Solemn Assembly ASAP?

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 10:20PM

After the funeral potatoes are served....

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 11:09PM

the Council of Fifty!

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Posted by: BYU Boner ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 11:19PM

The Morg is going to need a Strengthening the Geriatrics Committee.

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Posted by: Lot's Wife ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 11:45PM

I thought that was the function of the entire church.

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Posted by: Heartless ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 11:52PM

The Presiding Bishop handles the financial arm.

The tithing comitte handles the non profit arm.

The various department heads will continue as always.

Nelsen will sign off on things as he is told to.

Not sure who will sign missionary letters, I would assume Nelsen.

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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 02:05PM

It's like a perpetual motion machine that just keeps on going, and going, and going . . . .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/04/2018 02:15PM by Cheryl.

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