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Posted by: merryprankster123 ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 04:26PM

In the article from the Ensign linked below, R.M. Nelson, the presumptive new profit, turns the concept of unconditional love on its head. According to Nelson, God only really loves you if you are "worthy" of his love. I could go on about the negative ramifications of this so-called teaching, but I would only be preaching to the choir. I will just say that no wonder a high percentage of church members are on anti-depressants, suffer from low self-esteem, and/or are plagued by feelings of guilt and unworthiness.


https://www.lds.org/liahona/2003/02/divine-love?lang=eng



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/03/2018 04:28PM by merryprankster123.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 04:50PM

...and since mormons want to become 'gods' themselves, they practice this godly conditional love on their own children and other family members.

'Cause that's what Elohim would do, disown your kids & kick 'em out if they don't want to go on a mission, or they're gay.

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Posted by: edzachery ( )
Date: January 05, 2018 07:51AM

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

Good one, Hie...well-played, my friend. -edz

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Posted by: jabes ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 05:18PM

That quote directly led to the complete loss of my testimony!

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Posted by: exminion ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 02:59AM

My testimony was long gone, but that quote helped me to realize that Mormonism is not Christian!

It also explained the despair, loneliness, and angst among the Mormons. Mormons treat each other competitively, with jealousy, and lack of empathy. It is a borderline-personality-disorder cult.

Love is not taught or practiced in the Mormon church.

God is Love; therefore, God is not found in the Mormon church, either.

Nelson is a fitting CEO of that Godless cult. Let the Mormons worship Nelson.

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Posted by: GNPE ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 05:39PM

Yeah, just like the reason Christ died 'for everyone';

Oh, I guess that wasn't conditional.

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Posted by: CA girl ( )
Date: January 03, 2018 08:07PM

Thanks for posting this. I have a few non-LDS friends in Utah who will benefit from seeing it.

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Posted by: presleynfactsrock ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 01:46AM

In this article Russell M. Nelson says:

"Compliance with divine law requires faith - the pivotal point of mortality's testing and trials. At the same time, faith proves our love for God."59 (59 footnote: See Deut. 13:3; John 14:15; 15:6-7)

So the condition Mormons must meet is "compliance with divine law" which requires FAITH. Faith to me in this context is demanding a belief in and compliance with [Mormon] divine laws - laws which to me are not based in reality and/or provable facts.

As I picture Russell M. Nelson's world, he has two worlds: one is based on provable facts or science, while the second is one based on faith in the "divine laws" of Mormonism.

His authoritative, "doctor" prescription is given! Now follow it, and the P.S. would say (if he bothered to write it), "Do not bother me after this as I have spoken."

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Posted by: readwrite ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 03:43AM

Mormonism is conditional. He doesn't know God.- Himself. Jack.

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Posted by: Elyse ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 11:45AM

God's love is conditional - you must pay tithes so he can love you.

When I read that article years ago I thought Nelson was a complete asshole.
My opinion has not changed.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 11:56AM

Russ Nelson had better hope that God's love is NOT conditional. He might have a rude awakening otherwise.

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Posted by: valkyriequeen ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 12:02PM

Russell Nelson better have a couple of wife- made, home-made, donuts on hand just in case God's love is a bit conditional.

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Posted by: ificouldhietokolob ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 12:56PM

Come on, god likes Krispy Kremes.
Everybody knows that!

:)

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: January 04, 2018 11:14PM

He is a hateful old creep. I'm so glad I'm out of that church.

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Posted by: nolatterdaysainthere ( )
Date: January 05, 2018 01:26AM

Wow! If my shelf hadn't collapsed years ago due to the BOA, this would have completely obliterated it. As a BIC my entire life I was told how God's love was unconditional and we had to strive for that in our own lives. It seems to go against even basic Christian theology unless I'm completely misunderstanding my Christian friends.

Nelson... what a douche. Is he up next for the role of profit? I almost hope so. If this is seriously the kind of crap he's spewing he'll do more to kill the church than an army of exmormons spreading the news it's all bunk.

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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: January 05, 2018 01:29AM

>Is he up next for the role of profit?

Yeah, Russ is now the #1 guy.

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Posted by: summer ( )
Date: January 05, 2018 10:51AM

Yes, the most basic message of Christianity is that God loves you unconditionally. I am at a loss as to how this somehow eluded Russell Nelson.

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Posted by: hello ( )
Date: January 06, 2018 12:27AM

summer Wrote:
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> Yes, the most basic message of Christianity is
> that God loves you unconditionally. I am at a loss
> as to how this somehow eluded Russell Nelson.


From a reading of the OT and NT, I'd have to say this statement is very debatable. All the Bible-based religions are reward/punishment based. Commandment breakers are of lesser status with Bible God than the "faithful".

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