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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: December 05, 2017 06:53AM


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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: December 05, 2017 07:42AM

Right you are, Soft Machine.

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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: December 05, 2017 03:50PM

Is it just me?

And do many others just write this off as an unusual religious practice?

Also, doesn't anyone else realize that mormon splinter groups are mormon? It's similar to Orthodox Jews and their strange practices still being Jewish? Or are mormons, inactives, and nonmos who know mormons brainwashed into thinking mormon splinter groups aren't mormon?

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Posted by: jane ( )
Date: December 05, 2017 03:57PM

Everytime I see an article about the fundamentalists, I always post something about them living the church the way JS and BY lived it. And it never fails I get a whole bunch of thumbs down if it's on an Idaho or Utah media website.

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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: December 05, 2017 04:01PM

Some people think it has nothing to do with them. But they are wrong. They could help these kids by speaking up more honestly if they weren't in such a state of denial.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: December 05, 2017 05:22PM

It seems to never end.

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Posted by: relievedtolearn ( )
Date: December 05, 2017 06:49PM

The (few) Mormons I know claim that these people aren't real mormons. Only the mormons who recognize the authority of the Salt Lake City 15 are real mormons. =(

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Posted by: scmd ( )
Date: December 06, 2017 12:40AM

relievedtolearn Wrote:
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> The (few) Mormons I know claim that these people
> aren't real mormons. Only the mormons who
> recognize the authority of the Salt Lake City 15
> are real mormons. =(

They're not, for the most part, practicing members of the SLC-headquartered branch of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (except for those who practice polygamy on the sly, s in Cheryl's book, but attempt to hold membership in the mainstream LDS church simultaneously), but they ARE practicing the religion as the early members of the LDS church practiced it. To say they're not "real" Mormons is a bit misleading. Perhaps they're the "real" Mormons and the sLC branch are the impostors. Regardless, the roots of their practices are found in the history of the modern LDS church.

Modern Mormons love to deny any connection, but history connects the groups.

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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: December 06, 2017 09:07AM

I'm glad it didn't just go dormant.

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Posted by: scmd ( )
Date: December 08, 2017 12:48AM

Cheryl Wrote:
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> I'm glad it didn't just go dormant.

My Wife sat up half the night reading it because she couldn't stop.

It was a compelling and well-written story. how much of the plot itself was inspired by events of your childhood?

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Posted by: nevermojohn ( )
Date: December 05, 2017 06:50PM

I find the behavior of the judge bizarre in this case. He didn't think the father posed a danger to these children despite the father telling all his siblings that 12 year old girls are old enough to be married. That was his plan for his daughters. The father believed that they were developed enough at 12 years old. Somehow this didn't alarm the judge?

The people under arrest aren't the only dangers that these kids are facing unfortunately.

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Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: December 06, 2017 04:04AM

Yes, I found that surprising too.

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Posted by: Dave the Atheist ( )
Date: December 06, 2017 12:29AM

"although Utah, a state that is home to a large Mormon community, does not prosecute polygamists who are law-abiding. " ...

Huh ?

I thought polygamy was illegal.
How could polygamists be law abiding ?


FAKE NEWS !

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Posted by: Anon this time ( )
Date: December 06, 2017 09:29AM

Dave the Atheist Wrote:
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> "although Utah, a state that is home to a large
> Mormon community, does not prosecute polygamists
> who are law-abiding. " ...
>
> Huh ?
>
> I thought polygamy was illegal.
> How could polygamists be law abiding ?
>
>
> FAKE NEWS !

The same way illegal aliens are law abiding?

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: December 07, 2017 11:36PM


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Posted by: [|] ( )
Date: December 06, 2017 01:10AM

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46211547&nid=1417&title=officials-utah-doomsday-sect-member-hid-girls-in-plastic-barrels-charged-with-child-kidnapping

"A man believed to be a leader of an Iron County doomsday sect hid two young girls outdoors in two plastic, 50-gallon barrels and put another two in an abandoned motor home for roughly 24 hours before police found the children in zero-degree weather, the sheriff's office reported Tuesday."

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Posted by: screwed ( )
Date: December 06, 2017 09:22AM

Pedophile. Narcissist. Psychopath.

Wants to screw little girls, will trade the lives of his daughters for other psychopaths' daughters.

Willing to risk their health and lives to make the children ready and available for trade.

Traffics in slavery.

Flies under the flag of religion.

Utah judge is okay with all of this.

The Utah judge is guilty of dereliction of duty as a "reasonable person," and much more so as in a position of an authority of law enforcement. Any reasonable person would have seen the danger to the children. Most laymen would know that "Fundamentalist Mormon" is a euphemism for "pedophile," and a judge is obligated to know that.

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Posted by: ANON 3 ( )
Date: December 07, 2017 02:40PM

In Massachusetts you can get married at the age of 12 with parental consent. Utah is 14.
All states you have to be 18 to marry without parental consent. We need to make the federal law of 18 the base age.

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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: December 07, 2017 06:24PM

No 12 year old should marry, not ever.

The trouble with parent consent is that some parents don't give consent, but issue orders and back them up with threats and beatings.

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Posted by: catnip ( )
Date: December 07, 2017 11:40PM

When we were 13 or 14, my best friend and I thought that "getting married" was just about the most wonderful thing that could happen.

It would mean that someone wonderful loved you.

It would mean no more school.

It would mean getting away from parents.

When we actually were young married women, we used to recall our girlhood dreams and just shake our heads at our own innocence.

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Posted by: cinda ( )
Date: December 07, 2017 07:13PM

BTW Cheryl, I read your book and thoroughly enjoyed it. I especially loved the dialogue and your imagery. Thank you for sharing it with us :)

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