Posted by:
smirkorama
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Date: October 14, 2018 02:04AM
Cheryl Wrote:
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> I had to regularly stand in front of her and
> practice the lies I would tell the neighbors and
> the bishop. If I mumbled or said a word
> unconvincingly, I'd get a beating.
I do NOT doubt you on that count in the least.
> I was the first
> in my family to get a temple recommend with David
> O.'s new question by telling those lies. Yes, it
> was for dead dunking but it was still a scary
> experience as an eleven year old because my family
> would blame me if the bishop didn't believe the
> lies about harboring polygamists on our farm and
> holding their secret meetings in our living room.
I do NOT doubt you on that count, or any other personal account, in the least.
> You can write your counter arguments and make
> whatever claims against me you choose.
In reality, I am NOT saying anything "against" you, or your personal sentiments about D.O.McKay
I do take exception with the notion that any substantial segment of current mainstream MORmONS are currently engaged in a dominating love fest for David O McKay as in having some particular "worshiping" of David O McKay, that is particularly influencing or effecting LD$ inc MORmON policy or MORmON fundamentalist activity at this point in time. In that regard, you might be on the verge of attempting to speak for them / for those others, and such a message might NOT be entirely correct. Simply put, you are giving those MORmONS way too much credit because they are just NOT that bright!!!!! I will explain in a second.
I do take exception with the notion that any substantial segment of mainstream MORmONISM is currently engaged in a dominating love fest for David O McKay as in having particular "worshiping" of David O McKay. ......However, I do know of certain ex MORmONS on this very board who are attempting something very much like what have described in some misguided attempt to assert their academic and intellectual prowess. They have (errantly) asserted that THE (MORmON) church was somehow notably more benevolent and more tolerant and more pleasant under McKay's tenure than it is now.
(UTTER BS !!!!) They and I clashed as I told them that they were (quite) incorrect. I was alive under McKay's tenure as LD$ Inc MORmON PR-of-it, and I remember very well how rigid and stifling that THE (MORmON) Church really was back then ....IF their seeming love fest for McKay is the thing that prompted the statement of your VERY VALID negative sentiments relative to David O McKay and MORmONISM in the 1960's, THEN YOU AND I ARE VERY MUCH ON THE SAME SIDE !!!!!
Like you, I lived under McKay's reign, and It was NOT the Bed of Roses period of MORmONISM that others have (so errantly) attempted to suggest. I would assert that those particular others did NOT live under McKay's reign of MORmONISM, or else they would (should) know better!!!!
You are saying that David O McKay especially sucks for you. I am totally OK with that !!!!! IN FACT, I CONCUR !!!!
I am also saying that ALL of the MORmON prophets have sucked in a big way, and that David O McKay would NOT have been able to suck for you or anyone else, IF Joseph SMith and Brigham Young would NOT have sucked in a very big MORmON (polygamist) way FIRST. That is the part of me that pushes me to connect dots and to look at the big picture, which propelled me right out of MORmONISM.
As well, even as thoroughly disgusting and problematic as David O. McKay's de facto defense of MORmON polygamy may have been, David O. McKay did NOT actually personally (sexually) plunder any teen age females himself ( that we know of), even as past MORmON cult leaders definitely DID as they established that pattern of debauchery with in MORmONISM. Even so, I think that I understand your particular personal frustration with McKay, because a prophet SHOULD be a moral vanguard that protects the vulnerable (like you were) , and McKay was the actual one who in the role as a supposed prophet (protector) SHOULD have been YOUR protector, *even* as McKay miserably FAILED at the task /assignment as McKay put maintaining THE PR standing of his THE (MORmON) church ahead of your personal well being Even as McKay was NOT personally acquainted with you, which is exactly the same hideous rotten thing that my MORmON grandparent and MORmON parent did to me even as they were intimately acquainted with me, hence my subsequent mention and condemnation of my MORmON family members. .....I notice that you also arrived at a point where you end up mentioning family members MORmONIC complicity in preserving MORmON PR image and ideals to the exclusion of other concerns like your personal well being which should have been given far more consideration (!!!!!).
You are saying that David O. McKay STILL especially sucks for you, because of his failure to repudiate MORmON polygamy, and that MORmON polygamy would not exist today IF it was not for McKay's failure to thoroughly denounce it. I am saying that once a person starts down that road it does NOT end until that road goes back to MORmON Joe and MORmON Brigham.
You are saying that David O. McKay STILL especially sucks for you. MAJOR CONCESSION: It is not in my ability to demonstrate that is not so for you. Please Note: I never made such an assertion!!!!!
I am saying that is NOT the case currently for most MORmONS, as most MORmONS do NOT have the good sense or capable enough memory to connect the dots (back past two weeks) to show how damned corrupt and inconsistent that MORmONISM really is, which goes a long way in explaining why they are STILL MORmONS!!! Remembering and connecting those dots is a capability that you DO have. Which goes a long ways toward explaining why you are NO longer part of the MORmON flock.
Back to your original (basic) point: David O. McKay actually sucks!!!! so contrary to what certain others might attempt to suggest, as in McKay was NOT really some pleasant benevolent reassuring protective inspired and inspiring figure (as he was supposed to be) when things are completely factored out. McKay was really a self interest schmuck who perpetuated MORmON based evil. ....Thanks for the reminder. I am compelled to agree with you (because I can remember things beyond two weeks ago) !!!! Thanks for being on my side !!! McKay sucks !!!!