Date: November 12, 2017 02:02PM
Lot's Wife wrote:
>>>"Trump's election brought the topic of sexual harassment to national attention, and the issue has been simmering for a long time."
I think that this atatement directly answers the subject of the thread:
"The Roy Moore Situation Is A Symptom Of A Very Serious Dilemma"
Further, that we are experiencing the fallout of voters having abandoned the requirement of "moral fiber" in a president in favor of economic gain, economic sustenance.
All of the amoral traits which Trump displayed during the campaign, yes, even up to being broadcast (and still widely available) that, from his own lips, he sexually assaulted women, has crossed a line for many people.
Is it imaginable that even twenty years ago, a nation so inured to "grabbing a woman's p***y", that it could elect the perpetrator to be POTUS? Were there voters who believed his voice to be dubbed, fake news," or did it simply not rise to the level of thought that his behavior would become an exemplar for the treatment of wives, sisters, daughters and children?
I thought about it, and it occurs to me that charity begins at home.
There are pole dance threads on this board which show nearly everything but the hair, a site purporting to be a haven for exmos, especially young, nervous ones, including, young women. Politics took a long time to be allowed here, but mostly naked females spreading their legs around a gleaming, steely pole? Why, that's just "sexual freedom," and any virginal 18 year-old molly mo who has a problem with it, well, here we are, the "real" world of exmo men ready to show you how men "really" think women should behave and be regarded. Welcome to RfM.
Ziller is a hero to many, but I wonder if he considers all of the sisters and mothers who change their minds about "encouraging" the male members of their families to serve missions? Those females surrounded by toddlers. Mo mothers have doubts, see the pain of their children, come here to question, see ziller, and start packing those mishie bags. Even mo fathers, who can point to this board and say, "see the exmos, son, daughter; this is not for us."
And when we bring those sons and young boys into it, those pressured by their mothers, sisters, aunts, cousins and friends, those virginal 18 year old boys sent out against their will, is that a pang of doubt, then?
Do you wonder about it, Eric? Knowing your respect for all, I imagine you tolerating it, silently, broodingly. I think I might know why - to help heal sexual repression. It is a rubberband effect. It is going to far. Discussing it and displaying it are different things.
I can also imagine you thinking, "I'm a man, it is my site, and if I want pole dancers, I'll damn well not be told what "should" be allowed."
Who will stand and say it? Enough. The pot and kettle. Nearly naked females publicly mimicking copulation, being "worshipped" and salivated over, on this "recovery" board is Trump behavior. When ziller misses a "Thursday," plaintive threads will be erected, as if exmo men cannot search youtube themselves. It is not the video they seek, but acceptance of the behavior in viewing it with others, publicly, among male exmos. The freedom from criticism among all exmos. (haters stay out), but, who are the haters? Who are the ones lacking empathy?
The argument will be that the dancers are "willing," but the dancers are not my concern. Young men and women, coming here, seeking a glimpse of "outer darkness" are my concern. Children, who have grown with no barriers against authority, even authorities who abused them, they are my concern. I would also have a legal concern that nothing bars any minor of any age from clicking any link on this site, with no warnings at all.
I don't care what Trump, Moore and their ilk find acceptable or excusable. An abandonment of mo doctrine is not an abandonment of morality. No, I don't view the dancers or those who enjoy them to be amoral. I view this board, in this regard, as having abandoned concern for new exmos, and respect for non-dancing females (mo females) in general, to be against its own stated mission, and thus, as having slipped into amorality.
Our hands should be "clean," before we try to preach about "dilemmas" to others. Is this to be a safe place for new (or old) exmo females? I would not recommend it as is.
A response dictating that it "shouldn't" bother exmo females is a statement intended to shame them into accepting that nearly naked women publicly mimicking copulation with a steel pole is "right" and "normal." Not all exmo men will agree, nor would I advocate the behavior to my daughters.
I suggest that exmo pole-dance seekers create a youtube channel, possibly named "RfM Pole Dancing," even creating a link on the main RfM page, if so desired. If it is acceptable, let's not do it while winking at one another. Authentic recovery. If the goal is the polar opposite of Puratinism, so be it. If the goal is to be welcoming to ALL, well, then, so be that.
If all of the foregoing fails, the site has "grocery store" rules. I have yet to see a pastie-clad woman pretending to screw a pole in a grocery store. Plain, everyday reason.