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" TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (WCTV) -- A post on a social networking website by a Florida State University faculty member is causing waves on campus.

The post, attributed to Dr. David Glener, reads:

"Nurse practitioners are not, I repeat, not physicians. They lack the education, IQ, and clinical experience. There is no depth of understanding. They are useful but only as minions. Not politically correct, but true. Who would you want your family member seen by-- a nurse or a physician?"


Glener is a clerkship faculty member at FSU's Fort Pierce Campus. That post was made on Doximity, a social networking website for clinicians.

In a phone call, Glener told Eyewitness News that he was not responsible for the post and that his "account was hacked." Glener
said he has contacted Doximity and told them about the circumstances and to remove the post.

Students at Florida State's College of Nursing said the post was disappointing.

"I'm at a loss for words," said nursing student Rose Amato. "(I am becoming a nurse because) I just want to give back to my community. It's not about how smart I am."


"I take my education very seriously. And I'm sure my peers do too and it just feels like I'm going into a field where people don't respect me," said Elizabeth Oddo, a nursing student.

Others said it's causing tension within the medical field.

"It's disappointing. Everyone, we all have the same common goal to work together for the best health of a the patient," said nursing student MaKayla Mccombs.

College of Nursing Dean Judy McFetridge-Durdle emailed all nursing students saying, Florida State University is "immensely proud of our nursing students and alumni."

"The University's already been very clear that they don't agree with Dr. Glener's comments and that they stand by our nurse practitioners and our other nursing graduates and our 7,400 alumni," said McFetridge-Durdle.

She also said nurse practitioners see more than a billion patient visits a year, reduce ER visits and hospital stays and increase patient satisfaction.

"NP's, we're comfortable with the fact that they're here to stay," she said.

Students said the social media post is only fueling them more to succeed.


"I want to prove to people, help prove to people, that nurses have a very serious job. And we take it very seriously," said Oddo. "And we care for our patients just as much as a doctor does."

The Florida State College of Medicine has also said it does not stand by the post.

The college released this statement:

"The expressed views are not consistent with the collaborative approach to health care that we teach to our students – backed by a curriculum reinforcing the importance of teamwork in the clinical setting. The College of Medicine also promotes interdisciplinary learning opportunities bringing together students from medicine, nursing, social work and pharmacy."

A useful regressive minion.

Obamacare or whatever you want to call the new healthcare law is going to have a big shortages of doctors because of all the new patients.Before he left office, he cut off time from a doctors course load and shaved off the residency time. Don't know when it'll go in effect. Also they'll be more PAs and NPs for non emergencies and regular visits.

My regular healthcare provider is a CNP, and the specially trained CNP who monitors renal function for me and my son (we have the same hereditary kidney condition) seem to know their business. I ask some pretty tough questions sometimes, and I trust their answers.

One of my daughters trained as an EMT and is now an RN. She has chosen not to become an NP because she wouldn't like the paperwork and added responsibility. She works with high-risk neonates, and loves what she does.

I'm grateful for PAs and NPs. There aren't enough physicians to go around. I wish that pharmacists were allowed to treat people for minor problems, as they are in Europe. I won't ever forget the Italian pharmacist who gave me some stuff called Sobrepin for a miserable cough that followed a cold. He didn't speak English and my Italian is limited, but he heard how deep and rattly my cough was, and the Sobrepin dried it up within three days.

Simply not true. The president has no control of length of medical schoo (it is 4 years). He also has no control over residencies that have varying lengths depending on speciality which is determined by the certifying Board for that specialty.

Obama did not shorten medical school or residencies. That statement is simply false.

NeverMoJohn Wrote:
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> Simply not true. The president has no control of
> length of medical schoo (it is 4 years). He also
> has no control over residencies that have varying
> lengths depending on speciality which is
> determined by the certifying Board for that
> specialty.
>
> Obama did not shorten medical school or
> residencies. That statement is simply false.

Education itself is a state mandate. A president has no authority over any state's education except to the extent that civil rights are being violated or by virtue of grant-in-aid, whereby the feds hold a proverbial carrot consisting of a large sum of money offered to states or to school districts who agree to play by the rules of the feds.

Regarding medical school, the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME), jointly administered by the Association of American Medical Colleges and the American Medical Association, accredits M.D. schools,[32] while the Commission on Osteopathic College Accreditation of the American Osteopathic Association accredits osteopathic (D.O.) schools. The various steps of the United States Medical Licensing Examination (otherwise known as "the boards") further restrict who has privileges to practice medicine or surgery. neither a U.S. president nor any of his designees has the power to change the rules.

There's too much to learn in what little time is available as it is.

I really hope this thread doesn't turn into a "doctors vs. nurses" rant, as in "my son is a nurse and he's far better than any doctor" or "my daughter is a doctor and she says most nurses are idiots." We desperately need both. There's a tremendous amount of crossover in their duties. A nurse practitioner should be able to diagnose strep or otitis media just as well as a doctor can, Many nurse practitioners have outstanding suturing skills and are often more patient in stitching up young children. Most nurse practitioners know when to order tests and what tests to order, and they will ask if they're unsure. Most nurse practitioners have great instincts in terms of knowing when to call in an MD in a tough situation (croup vs, pertussis by the sound of the stridor, a sensitive circulatory or cardiac issue, etc.).

Where the IQ comment came from is anyone's guess. It's been estimated that a person with a 120 IQ (and IQs can fluctuate) has the capability to function in most fields if he/she is sufficiently focused and is willing to put in the time. Many jobs are no doubt easier for a person with an IQ of 145, but it's not necessary for adequate job performance in most fields including medicine.

There's plenty of room for nurse practitioners, physician's assistants, and MDs (and even doctors of osteopathy).



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Carlos Danger!

A PA once solved a persistent medical problem of mine (chronic sinusitis) that several physicians couldn't solve. I used to get 5-6 horrible sinus infections per year, and he knocked them out cold.

Just out of curiosity, what was the solution? I have dealt with similar bouts over the years, but learned that (for me) homeopathic things like sinus rinsing help tremendously.



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He said that my sinuses had built up so much scar tissue that the antibiotics were not getting through. He gave me heavier doses over a longer period of time -- usually two regular cycle's worth. After a few times of getting hit hard, my sinuses gave up. I can't remember the last time a got an infection.

What I suspect happened is that the infections had never completely cleared up. So I was getting recurring infections.

He also focused on basic meds (I use Allegra D and Flonase,) and steroids when needed.

Every RN or NP I've ever dealt with has been outstanding -- and they've always known when they're dealing with something outside of their knowledge, and that it's time to call in somebody else.

Here's to the bunch of 'em that do outstanding work. :)

give me an experienced nurse over a junior doctor any day of the week; nurses learn from their patients and retain the information for future reference. Theatre nurses - especially sister - provide valuable practical assistance to new surgeons, giving them confidence and keeping them right when unsupervised by consultant surgeons. Charge nurses aid registrars in completing their training, too.

Whoever actually wrote that entry is a condescending and snobby fantasist who, most likely, has never done a hard day's work in their life. A doctor takes the blame when things go wrong, but a doctor cannot complete their own duties without input from nursing staff who implement all prescribed regimes and know when to intervene, or when a patient needs something different.

NOT minions, not even underlings - nursing is a profession that compliments medicine and completes healthcare. Like all professionals, the cream rises up to the top and have the most knowledge, experience and accountability.

Bring on more Nurse Practitioners.

~NB patients tell nurses things they wouldn't tell their doctor.

I have heard references to "theatre nurses" and "sisters" - but I am confused. I thought ALL nurses were referred to as "sisters." Maybe this started in Catholic hospitals? I don't know.

What is the British system for designating types of nurses?

My daughter is an RN, and I would rather have her care for me than any doctor. For example, one night when she was working in the ER, there was a critically ill infant. The doctors were puzzled; they didn't know what to do. Our daughter told them what needed to be done. As a result, she saved the baby's life. Our son is a "huck"/cna in a critical care unit. There have been a couple of times when he has had to take the lead because others didn't know what to do. When something does happen to me, I want them to care for me!

As a semi retired NP I can say with certainty that midlevels serve a very important and vital role in healthcare. We can diagnose and treat the majority of what walks in our door, and have no problem bumping things up to the food chain to the docs if needed, freeing them up for more serious cases. Midlevels do not get reimbursed at the same level as docs, even doing the same procedure.
Nurses cover the ass ends of doctors in the hospital all the time, ask any of them. We are their eyes and ears, and spend time with patients they cannot. If this guy really said those words he should be shown the door.

Plus, even physicians refer to a specialist when they need to.

More REPUBLICAN Christian Right garbage - poison, intended ONLY to demean working women;

Haven't we had ENOUGH of their POISON? Seriously

Nailed it !

But minions are so cute, even when Dr. Gru is being grumpy.

I love nurses....many girlfriends that were nurses. They are incredibly talented and smart, ;)

I'm an ER nurse myself. Definitely a very offensive statement.

I don't know if this guy's account was really hacked or not. It might have been that he revealed his real feelings but saying he was hacked is his way of trying to avoid the backlash.

There is no denying that a physician's training is much longer and more rigorous than a nurse's. I don't think it is a reflection of IQ. A lot of people just don't have the time and the means to do all of that schooling.

And really, you don't need a lot of advanced medical training to manage things that ail the vast majority of people. Managing diabetes, anticoagulant medications, wound care, common respiratory ailments, etc. does not require top notch medical training. And yet this is the kind of stuff that the vast majority of people need to see health care practitioners for. NPs and PAs fill vital shortages in handling many of these kinds of cases. A physician's skill is better used handling more medically complex cases.

Nurses are great.

However my medical insurance covers a specialist medical doctor, and that is who I see.

I had a rash once, and it was so painful. The medical doctor general practice internist made it worse. I went to a dermatologist and it cleared up right away.

Another time my dentist performed a root canal. He had to send me to a specialist a periodontist because the tip of equipment broke off in my root canal. It took the periodontist 30 minutes to remove the tip and complete the procedure.

I have a gynecologist perform my annual well woman exam instead of the primary care internal medical doctor.

There is a reason they spend extra years and training in school for specializing.