For those of you who have children, the huge red flag you get when a child is lying to you is when they profess that they are telling the truth over and over.

Me: "Did you clean your room?"

Son: "I did! Honest! I'm not lying!"

Me: "You did?"

Son: "I'm telling the truth! Honest!"

I go check on the room, and it hasn't been touched...

Sound familiar?

Ever notice when you read the BoM that you see the word 'true' over and over and over? Especially at the beginning.

It's the calling card of a liar, and the mark of a con-man.

When something is actually true, you don't need the added emphasis of saying it's true over and over. It just is. That's the nature of truth.

Remember this next time you hear about the "true" church...

Along the lines of, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

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uh huh

An excellent, excellent point. What does the MormonCult do but constantly, and I mean constanty, defend its position.

1. Joseph, I tell you that young, truth-seeking wonderful youth was called to be a prophet!

2. Joseph restored the truth to the earth!

3. The BofM is true! Why you can climb over, or under, or around it, you snake you, but it is still TRUE!

4. And on and on and over and over it goes in conferences, sacrament meetings, sunday school, seminary, mutual, primary, family home evening, visiting teaching, missionaies etc. etc, etc. And then it starts again....the circle is never-ending and oh, so DESPERATE. BELIEVE! AND DO NOT FORGET inspite of anything else you hear!

If a youth tried to do what joseph did these days he would be laughed at and sent to a psychiatrist and sent to his room.

Yup, when you have to say something is true, that implies the possibility that it *could* be false.

Don't you always hear other (Christian, at least) people testify that "Jesus is my Savior!" or "I testify that Jesus Christ is Lord!"

I mean, seriously...."I testify that the Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States is true" just isn't said.

Believe me

Ah, I see...


"It's true, believe me. It's true in a big way. It's bigly true, belieeeeeve me..."

No doubt..so true. If you or I were tasked with keeping a record of our day, would we keep saying things like "what I am writing is true", over and over in different ways? Why would anyone do that? It's a sure sign that the stuff written is made up. For those that keep a journal or diary, do you write stuff in there like that? Of course not. Ridiculous. There is no need to because you are telling the truth. You are telling it like it is. Why would any of the so called Book of Mormon record keepers have to say stuff like "what I am writing is true". And Moroni's promise at the end to pray about it to know the things written are true... It's a huge red flag. What writer would think to put that in there if in fact what he wrote was true? Loses all credibility with me just like the original poster said.

Yup, I've said that for years, and I just thought of something else: apologists like to talk about "Hebrewisms" in the BoM, but is there any "Hebrew" writing, anywhere, that has editorial comments pertaining to the truthfulness of the writing or praying about it?

It's written like bad fiction. And then they ask you pray to know it's *not* fiction.

Give me (not Brother Joseph) a break....

Truth demonstrates itself. Lies need to be reinforced over and over.