I stood my fucking ground. They ignored my no soliciting sign totally so i have to get a more detailed sign. I told them i go to counseling because of the church, told them i didnt agree with their weird rituals. Told them barely any tithing went to the poor and asked them if they asked for any financial aid from the church and they said no and i told them to try it one day. Told them the whole book of mormon was made up from disappearing magical plates. They asked me if they could help and i said to get the bishop to get my tithing money back to pay my bills or ask for money on the streets while they are out and about so i dont have to. Then i told them good luck with the next few years. Told them that nothing was symbolic it was just weird as fuck. I stared them straight in the eyes and everybody knows i am pissed right now so they could see it and i took it all out on them. I have never been that strong in a conversation with mormons let alone missionaries before my convictions are strong and it was reality against the fantasy i once knew. Badass to the boner i am out i just had to vent that. F#cking perfect timing to top off this great week.

In order to get you back, the BP might have helped you. A way of getting some tithing money back.

Huh get me back for what pay more tithing while i am getting help and relapse, nah i am good my health is too important to me to go that route.

Here you go
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I might have to get that sign i was just going to custom make a no proselytizing sign under the no solicting sign but i cant just keep making one sign after the other.

Hahahaha oh man i may have to get that one that is too funny. I dont drink beer but still funny.

I'm considering doing a handwritten sign next to my no soliciting store bought one that says, "That means you too, Jehovah Witnesses!"

I saw them tracting on my street again this week, but they stayed away from my house this time.

Hahaha i feel like i have to get extra detailed as well like "no mormon missionaries and no JWs" i dont think they even know what no proselytizing means so i am afraid to do that one.

We've had no mishies out here at the farm in our 34 years here save the home teaching zealots I ran off and the JW's have made 2 visits in that time. I missed them both times and my wife was much too nice to them.

Lol, abby, love the sign!

Thanks cheryl i knew you would be. I think it was you that told me to be more stern.

Adam, you ARE the ultimate BADASS!!! You are STRONG... you are FEARLESS!!!

You handled that situation with the missionaries with such heart, soul, and dignity... we are all SO proud of you for standing your ground. :-)

Just like the Boner, and everyone else here on RfM, I am honored to know you. As always, sending much love and many hugs your way. XO <3

Haha woh thanks didnt know i would make you so proud. It was definitely the most impressive i have ever been against a pair of missionaries. They tried to control the conversation but i wouldnt let them i just cut them with everything i said and i meant every word and i have never been able to say that and i finally know how to counter all of their bullsh#t because i know the drill a little bit from their end. I actually wish i could have battled longer because i think there was more i wanted to say but oh well. That stupid organization corporation cult ruined atleast the majority of my life and i will not roll over from their bullsh#t anymore, i am sick of that whole operation. I am happy to make you proud because lord knows i could never make them proud no matter what i did or how much i gave or how much time i wasted it was never f#cking enough. And whatever they did with my money i hope it was worth it.

Put a conspicuous "No Tresspassing" sign at the edge of your property where it can't be missed. Also put a "No Soliciting" sign by your door. When both signs get violated call the police and demand that they arrest the perpetrator. Find the state statute ahead of time and tell the police "this is a clear violation of" (recite statute number). If the police refuse to press charges, ask for a police report and send a copy of it to the Mission President or the JW equivalent of the mission president. Tell them that most of the neighbors are also personal friends, and that you are going to poison their opinions about the church every time the church violates your wishes to not be contacted.

I am afraid that the police would side with them because atleast half of this town is mormon. This is my only fear but maybe i should get a no trespassing sign but if the missionaries ignored my no soliciting sign most likely they will ignore the no trespassing as well. I was surprised they had the balls to still knock with that sign up but i was just too tired to explain to them that they were indeed soliciting almost the worst kind of soliciting in my book for those of us who have been in the religion.

It doesn't matter if a particular officer sides with the lawbreaker.

If you want to fill out the form, you can mail a copy to the local mormons showing that you mean business about no contact and about trespassing laws. I've done this and it worked for me.

Wow okay maybe it will work.

Good job Baddass, I am with you too. I lay it all out when any member of the church visits our house. I too wish I could sue and get all my money back. It is sicking what the church has done to deceive and keep the fraud going.

Yea all it is a business that has no product, you give your time and money and energy for nothing and you just end up in counseling that they take no responsibility for. They have ruined so many lives they have no idea but the greed keeps going and they never quitknocking.

Well, Badass, I'd say you took control of the situation today. Congratulations! It felt good, didn't it. Something so simple as just saying no. You're getting your life back, Adam. No one is going to push you around from Mormonism any more, period.

On our other thread, we mentioned core values and you wrote "honor." I see that in you, too. Honesty and honor, got another one?

Oh, and I'm still waiting for my metal video :)

Badass, keep thinking about those values, they are the true you. I'm repeating myself here, but figuring out these core attributes of your life will enable you to determine what your future life will be like.

Adam, although it may seem hard now, you are fully capable of creating a good life on your terms.

The biggest threats now are safe and secure housing, food, and other life necessities. These things are foundational for your recovery. I'm very glad that your Mom is helping you.

I don't have answers, but, please talk with your counselor about finding help with a social worker who is trained to help you get as much support as possible.

I'd also advise you to re-read what you've posted the last day or so. What you've shared is a man moving forward with difficult things in life. You have a natural ability to communicate with folks from the heart. I'm going to suggest that another core value of yours is -- friendship. Good friends do not bully others around. Good friends enjoy each other without thoughts of what they're going to get out of the friendship. Good friends come in all varieties. Please see if your counselor has ideas for making connections in your community. Not everyone is Mormon, and not all Mormons are weird.

So, Bro. Keep moving forward. Your friendship is a gift for us. We, here, don't want anything in return except to hear about your healing and moving forward with your life.

Remember the metal, or I'm going to be pissed! The Boner.

I have more services with medicaid now so ill have a ton of services to help me out on top of counseling. I dont know how to bring on a youtube metal video on here i am not skilled in that kind of stuff. Just go to youtube and look up megadeth they have some good stuff. You're technology ungifted metal boner.

Oh another core value maybe is loyalty.

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Don't know if this will show up.You can add something about they can become martyrs too like JS, but that'll be mean , since these are young kids who don't want to be there anyway,...but the Bishop, etc????Mmn, depends

Haha that might be a little over the top for me.

I love that you said that you wanted your tithing money back! So true I want my tithing money back too.

Hahahahaha i really do none if it went to the poor and i am pissed.

I love it when the missionaries stop by. I've had some great discussions with them about their missions and more importantly, what their plans are for afterwards. I have rarely had a discussion with them about the church. If it ever comes up I just tell them that it is impossible for me to have a testimony of Joseph Smith...and without that...is there really any point? That usually ends any more church talk.

I used to be a jackass to them but soon realized that didn't accomplish anything. I found just setting an example of being a good, loving, caring man that is not driven by the need for some god or religion in my life to be quite effective. That seems to cause them to ask questions that enable me to "plant some seeds".

I haven't had any stop by in quite a while though. Rumor has it my house has been "blacklisted". Supposedly word leaked back to the mission prez about the dinner I fed them a year or so ago followed up by us relaxing and watching the NBA Playoffs.

Looking forward to them knocking on my door again some day.

One thing that is sure to get your house blacklisted.

Invite the missionaries in and invite them to an orgy you have going with others in the back of the house.

That will take care of your missionary problem 99% of the time.

Maybe i will do that because the missionaries never stop knocking on my door and its always a different pair everytime.

Be sure to tell Elders, it's a gay orgy.

For sisters, you expect them to do each other.

I encourage everybody to film their encounters with Doomsday Cult recruiters, especially when they lie through their teeth when you ask them pointed questions, like,

"Why do you still sing the praises of a sexual predator when we all know he preyed upon his follower's wives and teenage daughters?"

"In your personal opinion, Was it wrong for both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young to take their follower's wives from them and have sex with them? Yes or no?"

"Why do you still go around selling scriptures with pornographic depictions of your Egyptian Fertility God in them, like Book of Abraham Facimille 2, Figure 7?"

"Do you really believe God cursed two whole races of people with dark skin because of the sins of their fathers?"

"If God is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow, why didn't he turn Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Dotard and Rocket Man as black as coal?"

It felt damn good and i think i would have made you proud. But you would have done way better i think probably. I dont know if i could have both filmed and talked but maybe.