Date: May 18, 2017 03:54PM
I was thinking about how ridiculous the Mormon ideas of pre-existence and Celestial Kingdom are. What they teach just does not add up, and I mean in just a basic math sense.
Firstly the supposition is that we all existed as 'spirt children' of our heavenly father and heavenly mother. It sounds like one mother but Mormons believe in God's model of polygamy and that God is a polygamist. So that really means we could be children from a number of different 'heavenly mothers'..
But also they teach that God was one a man and then made it to perfection so that he was able to resurrect his physical body and live in it's perfected state for eternity. We are told we can all achieve this state and be resurrected after death like Christ and God were. So that would imply that God and one of his wives in the 'celestial kingdom' had physical sex (which I think is part of Mormon doctrine) and through that act reproduced billions of 'spirit child'..
It's always assumed we were once spirit in the pre-existence and that we were also children of God and 'mother' (whichever one that was).. So through a physical act in physical bodies they created spirits?
And the number of spirits seems to be infinite. (Somehow God has sex an infinite number of times!!.. with how many wives? Nobody knows.. probably a lot to make infinite children!) Yet we have a finite amount of space on this planet and each spirit is supposed to come 'down' here to gain a body, because they weren't able to get one from the physical act of procreation in physical bodies.
And THEN after we gain a body we have to be baptism, go through all the crazy temple rituals, get married (esp. important for women) but only have monogynous relationships on earth, THEN in the next life, the men can become gods and the women their slave wives to bear more 'spirit' children forever and ever and ever. Each god will have his own world to populate. Each god will have multiple (probably without number even) wives to help him.
Yes the amount of men and women born are almost born in equal numbers. According to Mormonism our gender identity does not change. Once female (in the pre-existence), always female (on earth and in the next life), and same for males. So what happens to all of the extra men? According to the polygamist model only a few men can actually make it to god hood. I guess the rest take on other roles just like here on earth, it must be a hierarchy, so that there would be 12 disciples, a quorum of 70, etc etc..
Here on earth in the Mormon hierarchy at least there is a chance for the men to progress and one day one of them will make prophet status (i.e god status basically), but in the next life then one would assume the men keep competing for the prophet/god spot? And then what happens when one is chosen, the rest stay in the same level forever?
Do they also not reproduce then?
If there is even something called 'eternity' (a word Mormon's love to throw around) then how is there a beginning, middle and end? How is the 'beginning' us being 'born' as spirits and the end being judged to take our place in an 'eternal' hierarchy?
Plus I thought the whole idea of the celestial kingdom, the whole appeal of it to the LDS members is that you get to return to dwell there with God the Heavenly Father and Jesus and bask in their love?
But then if some of the men can become gods and take women to be their wives then those wives and maybe some servant men have to come with them and leave God and Jesus?
Also what about the 'forever marriages'? There is so much stress placed on getting married in the temple so these monogamous couples can stay 'together forever'.. And for the romantic types that is very appealing, esp. at first when you are young and blinded by love. But how can that be true (millions of 'sealed' forever couples) and the polygamist model be true? Esp. if only 'good' Mormons can make it to that level, clearly there will have to be some reorganizing going on where the god men will have to steal away the other already married women from the non-god men. (Sort of like Joe Smith and Brigham did in the early days)..
But of course there are all the dead gentiles Mormons baptize so that they could then become Mormons in heaven and be up for a role as servant to one of the gods in either a wife or priesthood position.
And then the 'temple work' is supposed to go on in the next life forever as well. What is appealing about doing those crazy rituals forever? What's appealing about baby making (esp. for the women who have to bear these endless spirit children!) forever?
It sounds like Mormon heaven is Mormon church and temple work without anything else, for the rest of 'eternity'. (somehow linear and not a circle)..
How is that something even Mormons would want? Shouldn't 'Heaven' (whatever name you want to give it like CK) be a place to cast off all of your burdens and rest?
I for one want NOTHING to do with their CK if there possibly could be such a thing.
But honestly the questions their theology poses is completely mind boggling.
But Mormons defend these types of questions by saying things like 'one day all will be revealed' and claim it's just confusing because our earth brains (pretty little heads) can't take it all in. It's just beyond our understanding so we just have to have 'faith' (i.e. blind obedience) and do as we are told by the 'prophets'..
I guess it must be nice just to shove all that logic and reason away when it gets distressing.
I am sure there are mysterious about the universe and beyond and afterlife that are unknown to us. But I am okay with not knowing everything. And perhaps after I die I'll know more or I'll be reborn. I don't know.
But to pretend that your church leaders DO know all about the afterlife and to present this totally illogical model to the members but then not allow answers to questions or even allow questions to me just proves further what a cult this is and that it's all about mind control.
Most all of their doctrine is contradictory. But applying logic to any of it is just sinful in the LDS members minds!