I'm seeing this one a lot online of late. Whenever someone makes a post or comment that is critical of Mormonism or mainstream (?) Christianity, some dim bulb godbotherer has to pipe up with, "Why do you only pick on - insert religious belief here - and not others? You're just a coward who doesn't want to criticize muslims because you're afraid."

No, Jethro, that ain't it. It's because Islam - despite all the alarmist crap about Sharia Law being imposed in the United States (Hint: it isn't), it's actually only Mormons and Christians who want to impose their morality on us in this country.

Believe me, I find ALL religions quite insane. Yours isn't special.

Yep.
I frequently reply to stuff like that with:

"Yes, Islam is ridiculous and dangerous. But so is your belief, and I have to deal with the effects of yours on a daily basis. Your belief may be the tallest of the dwarfs, but that's still awfully short."

This reminds me of too many Twitter exchanges and the like lately. People yelling "whataboutism" without knowing what the term is about.

ooo, thanks for the new term and I will put it to good use. It's like people lack the ability to understand logical fallacies and reading comprehension or something.

Naw, that can't be it.

I would just say, "Why are you changing the subject rather than addressing the question directly. Aren't you able to answer or doe have something to hide?"

Changing the subject is a cowardly ploy. Mormons love it.

I'm not a bigot - I criticize all religions equally.

Islam is not corrupting my government at the moment.

I've noticed that as well. The last three months have been fine.

Um nope. Spending millions to kill 34 is stupid; it is not success. Stupidity is the word you are searching for regarding the last 3 months especially with regard to opening the door for religious indoctrination in schools.

some schools in england have been effectively 'taken over' by muslim governing boards and teachers and they have been caught segregating pupils and forcing out non-muslim staff, not to mention only teaching subjects relevant to islam, so no evolutionary science. The matter has been addressed by the government, but how well? that is anyone's guess and we shall have to wait and see.

An independent school can pick it's own subjects, but it is not allowed to segregate children and tell girls they are lesser beings than boys and subject to male domination their entire lives - well, not currently in the UK at least.

Interesting... Would love to see a source for this info!

here's a link from the pro-islam, pro-eu, socialist leaning bbc:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-28370552

The link gives a timeline over two years of the legal facts of the 'trojan horse' operation to infiltrate schools in one city in england - there have been many more instances of teachers taking schools boards to tribunals for constructive dismissal in other areas. One female teacher was the subject of a hate campaign for wearing calf length skirts and refusing to wear a scarf. She was blonde and had no religion. Parents complained about her in unison for being an unislamic example to their children - in a state funded school, no less.

relevant fact: over 90% of pupils at schools in question self identified as muslim.

A secular society would be much better, but the UK doesn't have one of them either. I was forced to go to Christian services, learn about Christianity and receive punishment if I refused during my education in the UK...

state funded schools are much more secular now than they were in our day, soft machine. The major religions have their major celebrations taught about, but there is no compulsory religious instruction in state schools, like there is in catholic and CofE schools.

> An independent school can pick it's own subjects,
> but it is not allowed to segregate children and
> tell girls they are lesser beings than boys and
> subject to male domination their entire lives -
> well, not currently in the UK at least.

Sad that tscc can and does

Glad you're not in charge then. It's called "sending a message".

Or do we wait until people fly airliners into tall buildings again?

Besides, it was Mormonism that wasted a chunk of my life, not other religion.

I would remind them that it was mormonism that threatened in a secret ceremony, to cut my throat open from ear to ear if I ever revealed a stupid secret handshake.

To the OP: You are right about the deflection, but it applies equally to Islam. Moreover, Sharia law is being allowed in many places. Check out Dearborn, MI. Been there? You'll never want to go back. Sharia law is Moism on steroids! - with aweful consequences. Temple blood oath? Not even close.

Don't you mean shawarma law?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-stone/what-if-america-looked-like-dearborn_b_9328288.html
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2017/03/17/shawarma-law-sharia-dearborn/99321386/
http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/17062/dearborn_is_under_shawarma_law_not_sharia_law
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dearborn,_Michigan
http://michiganradio.org/post/sharia-law-dearborn
http://www.wxyz.com/muslim-american/exploring-dearborn-michigan-home-to-a-growing-muslim-american-community

Oooo, Shawarma Law, nice!

I'll take that new term and put it to good use. ;^)

I tell them changing the subject is neither and answer or a defense. It's the coward's way out.

helamonster Wrote:
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> it's actually only Mormons and Christians
> who want to impose their morality on us in this
> country.
>

I hear this complaint a lot, but seldom see anyone willing to list the specifics where Christians and Mormons are pushing through legislation that promotes their peculiar morality. Will you tell us exactly what you're referring to?

I hope it's not just abortion, because that has opposition from a wide cross section of our society including atheists with no need for any religious motivation.

Can you list any others?

Does TX still have their Blue Laws? Those are religious.

And it doesn't take a law to impose morality. Excessively stringent dress codes at schools and proms come to mind. I understand needing some dress code, but I remember one in Utah where the girl bought a gorgeous prom dress in Paris or somewhere and was turned away because it was sleeveless. The straps were about 3" wide, definitely no where close to scandalous, but they required cap sleeves or longer. Definitely an enforcement of peculiar religious morality.

Oh and what about same sex marriage? All the opposition I personally saw was religious referring to bible passages saying man shall not lie with man or something like that.

(sings) "Sha-ri-a . . . I just met a law named Sharia . . . "

Sharia baby (Sharia baby)
Sharia can you come out tonight
(Come, come, come out tonight)
Sharia baby (Sharia baby)
Sharia can you come out tonight

To Tall Man, Short Hair: Dude, what are you talking about? Utah just passed drinking and driving limits to 0.05. While I don't drink and drive. Not good. But don't you think tbm's didn't influence that? Everything in Utah is influenced or a direct result of tscc's presence. If you live here, you get it, unless you are blind or naive. If you don't live here, well, you're oblivious. The 'church' controls everything in this state. Wake up. Smell the coffee...

same limit is currently in force in scotland and many other places. It is part of globalisation: making everywhere the same (eventually).

Yep

Alberta went from 0.8 to 0.5.

Does this change make driving safer? Hard to say, since "presence" (check stops etc) is the biggest deterrent.

What 0.5 does do is hurt the hospitality industry. Restaurants, for example, make money on alcohol, not food.

At 0.5 I've been with petite women who forgo a glass of wine with dinner for fear of blowing over 0.5 if pulled over. That's a pity. And most everyone that has to drive after will forgo the 2nd drink fearing the same.

Aperitif, 1/2 litre of wine with dinner, and a bit of port with dessert, to me, is perfect during a nice meal at a nice place. At 6'2", 215lbs I can carry this quite easily, but I wonder sometimes if I'd blow over 0.5 if pulled over.

Are you from Alberta?

A small percentage of the population can get drunk on 0.05%. My solution would be to legalize better drugs.

incognitotoday Wrote:
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> To Tall Man, Short Hair: Dude, what are you
> talking about? Utah just passed drinking and
> driving limits to 0.05.

The National Transportation Safety Board has been pushing this for a while:

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/01/21/ntsb-wants-blood-alcohol-limit-for-driving-lowered/

And while Utah's Mormons may have had an influence in rolling it out there, is it your contention that any law, regardless of its impact, is bad if motivated by the Christian or Mormon faith?

If you want to live in a controlled, censored artificial reality and give up 10% of your income for life for the chance to become a polygamous god with your own planet in the afterlife, fine. I could care less. But stop lying to people and tell them up front what they are getting into. They won't of course as they know it's totally bat s*@t crazy.



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