This is real, this is now, and makes no sense to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/23/north-carolina-islamophobia-muslims-threats

http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/reports-death-threats-made-against-muslims-in-meeting-in-kernersville/410190396


Read this.

I make no judgement or comment beyond presentation of the facts as reported.

https://triad-city-beat.com/2017/02/local-conservative-activists-prepare-violent-confrontation-islam/


"A consortium of tea partiers, patriot groups and other conservative activists gathered in a private dining room at a seafood restaurant in Kernersville on Thursday evening for a presentation on a supposed Muslim plot to conquer the United States.

The 20 or so people who attended the meeting at Captain Tom’s Seafood needed little convincing from presenter Tom Jones, who soldiered through frequent interruptions about supposed Muslim treachery paired with testimonials about preparedness for violent confrontation and even expressions of readiness to kill Muslims.

“Do you have any recommendations as to how we could stop this?” asked Frank del Valle, a Winston-Salem resident whose Facebook page identifies him as a retired federal employee and native of Cuba, near the end of the hourlong presentation. “Because my only recommendation is to start killing the hell out them.”

Del Valle’s outburst spurred a variety of responses from the group.

Robert Goodwill, who identified himself as a member of the national security advocacy group Act for America, took an optimistic tack with the recent election of Donald Trump, adding, “We’re on our way.”

Another man, who did not identify himself, said, “I want to start doing something instead of talking about it all the time.” He added, “I’m in a group. I’m not going to tell you what group I’m in.”

“Talking is going to start the conversation,” Jones insisted. “We all have to find a way to proceed. This is my way of contributing.”

Del Valle said his views on Islam have been shaped by his longstanding opposition to the Castro regime in Cuba.

“I’m the kind of guy — my country was lost to the communists,” he said. “For a long time I saw how they achieved that. And the Muslims are doing the exact same thing. So I am very aware of that. I have been talking about that for a long time.”



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This is a bit off topic, perhaps more than a bit. I received the following LinkedIn invite yesterday:

"Summary
I seek to lead White Americans and other Western peoples away from the genocidal death grip of Talmudic Zionism.

director
Solutrean Agency
February 2010 – Present (7 years 1 month)
The Eternal Solutreans are a proud activist organization demanding civil rights for the white minority in the United States that originally was the majority, which founded America in 1607 explicitly as an offshoot of Europe, and then built the USA into a superpower." [end of quote]

It is discouraging such groups exist AND that I was asked to join such an awful organization. Sigh... How did he get my name?

Eric K Wrote:
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> It is discouraging such groups exist AND that I
> was asked to join such an awful organization.
> Sigh... How did he get my name?

Might it be because your name is associated with [ex]-Mormonism, a similarly deluded belief system???

Maybe someone thought you were looking for a replacement???

;)

The sad thing is that hate crimes against the Jewish community have always been significantly higher than that against any other religious group. It's hard to detect that fact the way the press coverage runs.

More than half of all anti-religion crimes are committed against Jews. Muslims are a distant second at about 20%.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/topic-pages/victims_final

Tall Man, Short Hair Wrote:
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> The sad thing is that hate crimes against the
> Jewish community have always been significantly
> higher than that against any other religious
> group. It's hard to detect that fact the way the
> press coverage runs.
>
> More than half of all anti-religion crimes are
> committed against Jews. Muslims are a distant
> second at about 20%.
>
> https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/topic-pages/vi
> ctims_final

"In one year, anti-Muslim hate crimes in the United States rose 67%, from 154 incidents in 2014 to 257 in 2015, according to the latest numbers released in the bureau's Hate Crime Statistics report on Monday.
In sheer numbers, anti-Jewish incidents (664) were higher in 2015, but the percentage increase was much higher for incidents involving Muslim victims."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/us/fbi-hate-crime-report-muslims/

Seems like there's some catching up going on :)
Which is sad. All of these should be going DOWN, not up.

And just for the record, YOU brought up hate crimes. So please don't accuse me of doing it as "demagoguery" (again). Thanks.

I read about anti-Semitism often, and it's discussed frequently in the circles I'm in. It IS hard to believe anyone cares when our president doesn't mention Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

Islamophobia is most frequently discussed recently due to the fact that hate crimes against Muslims are growing at a much higher rate than hate crimes against any other religious group.

John de Nugent / "Soultrean Agency"

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/john-de-nugent

I've said it before and I'll say it again: islamophobia is a non-existent concept.

Everyone who ever gets accused of "islamophobia" tends to belong to one of two groups. ONE. People who are genuinely critical of islam as a religion, an ideology, and/or a political institution, and therefore want to question it in a sincere debate; and TWO. Foaming-at-the-mouth stumped-tooth racists who hate foreigners, foreign languages, foreign political ideologies and/or foreign religions.

Group number ONE tends to be equally critical of all other faiths and ideologies, while group number TWO tends to be very much in favor of a certain rival.

In the case of the article, I would call those nutjobs christian supremacists. I would also revoke their weapon license.

OK, so do you just want to call it white Christian supremacy? Cause if there's anything America's got, it's that.

I'm sure most of the people in this article are indeed white, and I'm sure many of them are also racist towards blacks or Asians, but I would not automatically put 'white' in front of 'christian supremacist' because you don't have to be white to be a racist.

In other parts of the world, muslims, christians, hindus or what have you suffer from similar forms of discrimination: in India there's hindu supremacists, in Burma there's buddhist supremacists, and in lots of countries, there's muslim supremacists.

But to equate a sincere and honest critic of organized religion like Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens to a bigot like your average Southern fire-and-brimstone preacher is absurd. It makes more sense to equate that particular class of christian preachers to their muslim counterparts who claim women become barren if they drive a car and apostates who eat pork become gay.

They think Muslims are infiltrating America like the old John Birchers and communists.


Read the article.

Racism vs. Ethnocentrism: To be racist you have to be in a dominant position of power. Not the same as ethnocentrism.



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Exactly. These are nativist laymen, not preachers.

I'm talking about the U.S. Here, they are primarily white. We are also a country with a long, ugly history of extreme white supremacy, slavery, genocide and xenophobia. Racism is absolutely intertwined in this ongoing ideology.

Islamophobia definitely does exist. All it means it hate of Islam, and there are lots of people who are vocal about their hate of Islam.

The suffix "-phobia" means fear, hate or intense dislike. No one is claiming that it's a psychological disorder, like claustrophobia. The fact that the psych field uses a Latin term to describe something does not mean that all uses of that term meet the psych definition. Chemists describe certain molecules as hydrophilic or hydrophobic, depending on how they interact with water. That doesn't mean that the molecules have a psychological disorder.

Many people in the US and around the world hate Islam and Muslims, or have an intense aversion to them, and it is perfectly legitimate to describe such behavior as Islamophobic. Many (perhaps most) of the people in your first group may claim to be legitimate critics of Islam. wanting sincere debate, but they paint a highly diverse religion and culture with an overly broad brush. They use proof-texting, urban legends and other illegitimate means to promote their criticism, in the same way that antisemites "criticize" Judaism.

It's not debate: it's hate. Islamophobia is an excellent description of this type of mindset and behavior.

East Coast Exmo Wrote:
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> Islamophobia definitely does exist. All it means
> it hate of Islam, and there are lots of people who
> are vocal about their hate of Islam.

There is nothing wrong with hating islam, fascism, mormonism, or any other nasty ideology. It's hating people that's wrong. Muslims, like mormons, are the first and major victims of their religion, because they waste their lives on the fantasy of a con man.


>
> The suffix "-phobia" means fear, hate or intense
> dislike. No one is claiming that it's a
> psychological disorder, like claustrophobia. The
> fact that the psych field uses a Latin term to
> describe something does not mean that all uses of
> that term meet the psych definition. Chemists
> describe certain molecules as hydrophilic or
> hydrophobic, depending on how they interact with
> water. That doesn't mean that the molecules have a
> psychological disorder.

When arch-conservative muslims use the term, they mean it as an insult and an accusation. If you advocate for gay rights in Turkey, women's rights in Iran, or the rights of non-muslims in Pakistan, then you are islamophobic.


>
> Many people in the US and around the world hate
> Islam and Muslims, or have an intense aversion to
> them, and it is perfectly legitimate to describe
> such behavior as Islamophobic. Many (perhaps most)
> of the people in your first group may claim to be
> legitimate critics of Islam. wanting sincere
> debate, but they paint a highly diverse religion
> and culture with an overly broad brush. They use
> proof-texting, urban legends and other
> illegitimate means to promote their criticism, in
> the same way that antisemites "criticize"
> Judaism.

People like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens never used urban legends, and they don't "paint a highly diverse religion and culture with an overly broad brush". Nor do I. I actually love the culture, or else I wouldn't be there two or three weeks a month. But I refuse to defer to their dogma or pretend that their fiction is real.


>
> It's not debate: it's hate. Islamophobia is an
> excellent description of this type of mindset and
> behavior.

Debate is hate? On the contrary, debate is how people learn to understand each other. Debate is what religions don't want. Religions want you to sit down and shut up. Debate is what we need.

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> Debate is hate? On the contrary, debate is how
> people learn to understand each other. Debate is
> what religions don't want. Religions want you to
> sit down and shut up. Debate is what we need.

Well said.

There *is* "hate" going on, though. Not when "islamophobic" is used as you mentioned in Islamic countries for those advocating for rights. When someone is physically attacked, their property destroyed, etc. solely because they're Muslim. Not when Muslim claims, ideas, and beliefs are debated and discussed or criticized.

The individuals at this meeting were not just "criticising" Islam. They were openly advocating conspiracy theories such as:

*** Obama is Muslim and was/is a terrorist

*** Every Muslim is terrorist and mosque in every Western country is a terrorist nerve centre

*** The goal and raison d'etre of Islam is to wipe out Christianity and any and all Christians


If that does not qualify as (an irrational) fear and hatred of Islam I don't know what does.

If you've read the article, listen to the audio.



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anybody Wrote:
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> The individuals at this meeting were not just
> "criticising" Islam. They were openly advocating
> conspiracy theories such as:
>
> *** Obama is Muslim and was/is a terrorist
>
> *** Every Muslim is terrorist and mosque in every
> Western country is a terrorist nerve centre
>
> *** The goal and raison d'etre of Islam is to wipe
> out Christianity and any and all Christians
>
>
> If that does not qualify as (an irrational) fear
> and hatred of Islam I don't know what does.
>
> If you've read the article, listen to the audio.

Perhaps YOU should first re-read what I posted previously. When I spoke of two groups, the honest critics and the nasty racists, I made it very clear that the "throw them to the lions" hatemongers quoted in this article belong to the second group, and that their drivel should not be used against the first group, which is here conspicuously absent.

If they want to pursue Islamophobia, they will have to avoid any medical specialists or top-notch surgeons.

The koran does teach that islam will conquer and rule the world with sharia law. My 10 year old learned that at school during 'religious education' classes. Her muslim classmates are convinced that this 'fact' will come to pass.

Americans should be every bit as prepared and worried as the neighbours of mormons were back in the 1830s & 40s when mormons were teaching their kids that they would eventually take over the world but would start with jackson county or missouri or wherever.

I perhaps do not agree with the way their meetings are being reported as being carried out, but I did note that the person chairing the meeting kept ignoring or putting down talk of violence, although the article does not focus on this. However, I wish to ask if anyone else noticed the way the guardian labelled the white folks 'patriots' in a derogatory way? It is almost as if wanting to protect your own culture is a bad thing only if you or any of your ancestors was christian. Every other 'culture' seems to be more equal than that based on a christian heritage.

The Bible also teaches that about followers of Jesus.

But you're right. Based on what people at the meeting were saying, they should have been called white supremacists, conspiracy theorists or thugs.

And people are scared of Black Lives Matter...Would love to hear responses if a black group asked "can't we just kill them all."

I noticed that the chairperson did raise a number of valid points.

One example: a lot of muslim organizations in the USA are funded, lavishly, by organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood (which explicitly aims to substitute sunni islam for democracy) and the Qatar Foundation (which aims to do the same, but below the radar).

Yet his statements were drowned by the "off with their heads" rhetoric of his own audience. It's almost as if these agent provocateurs were planted there by the KGB to discredit the whole meeting and anyone who attended it.

People, believe me, the Muslim Brotherhood IS dangerous. These are the people who demanded the death penalty for a British nanny who named a teddy bear Muhammad as a sign of multiculturalism.

Would these folks say the same about the many well funded white supremacist groups in the U.S.? I doubt it.

And wow, I wish every group could just throw out the excuse "we were infiltrated."

Loyalexmo not logged in Wrote:
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> Would these folks say the same about the many well
> funded white supremacist groups in the U.S.? I
> doubt it.

Of course not. Those are on their side ;)

But where these get their money from is well-documented.

And they are also bonkers, crackers, 'round the bend, and stark raving mad.

anonuk Wrote:
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> The koran does teach that islam will conquer and
> rule the world with sharia law. My 10 year old
> learned that at school during 'religious
> education' classes. Her muslim classmates are
> convinced that this 'fact' will come to pass.

I think it's good for children to learn about all different religions in school, but they should be offered a more critical look than the hippiefest it tends to be now.


>
> Americans should be every bit as prepared and
> worried as the neighbours of mormons were back in
> the 1830s & 40s when mormons were teaching their
> kids that they would eventually take over the
> world but would start with jackson county or
> missouri or wherever.

Oh I'm sure you, as a Briton, know a thing or two about Bradford, or Luton, or other places where women in a miniskirt get yelled at already. It may be only a tiny minority of muslims who do this, but in some neighbourhoods this tiny minority simply rules.


>
> I perhaps do not agree with the way their meetings
> are being reported as being carried out, but I did
> note that the person chairing the meeting kept
> ignoring or putting down talk of violence,
> although the article does not focus on this.

Of course it does not, it's The Guardian. They only want cuddly muzzies and monster raving looney chrissies. It's the Fox News of the left.

Please give a concrete example of the "hippiefest."

I will preface my comments with an admission that I am no expert on this subject but have some thoughts to offer.

Islam, like early Mormonism was, especially after the exodus west and durring Brigham Young’s reign, is stringent and theocratic. Gods/Allah's law supercedes civil law.

These staunch sharia law adherents are unlikely to peacefully integrate into western culture and society. They have an agenda to transform and take over western culture through violent means if necessary. Thus the need to vet them from other immigrants and refugees.

I am sure there are many Muslims that would integrate well into American society but these less radical Muslims aren't the leaders and are labeled as apostates.

http://www.clarionproject.org/Muslim_Brotherhood_Explanatory_Memorandum

Free speech is being threatened as I was not able to link to two articles. The information site has been banned by google search engines as of recently.

When I try to link to Alex Jones site I am prohibited. This is the message I get;

A word you have used in your post has been banned from use. Please use a different word or contact the forum administrators.

Like them or hate them Mike Adams and Breitbarts site have been banned as well. Some of the same sources that threatened to ban these sites many months ago also suggested that Julian Assange could be removed with a drone strike. Assange has an unbroken ten year history of his released information being correct.

Write infowar, ad an s to it, hit the preview button and see what happens.

Felix Wrote:

>
> I am sure there are many Muslims that would
> integrate well into American society but these
> less radical Muslims aren't the leaders and are
> labeled as apostates.
>

Worse, the SPLC labels them islamophobic...

Anyway, this is a vicious cycle. The leaders are radical because radicals get money from other radicals. The moderate, secular muslims never get any money because other moderate muslims are too busy with the real world: a career, a family, a hobby. Many of them are muslim in name only.

Their children, however, run the risk of being radicalized by those radicals. Look at Europe: third generation muslims, meaning the GRAND-children of immigrants, tend to be much more radical than their cousins in the old country.

Thanks Erik, for helping google ban speech. You are under no legal requirement to remove any of my posts. Will you please send me reason for deleting one of my posts? I would like to hear it from you. I left my email address.
Thank you.

Admin is under no legal requirement to KEEP any of your posts, either.

The First Amendment doesn't apply to this forum, genius. Your "free speech rights" aren't being trampled upon.

Ideology -- no matter how fervently believed -- can ever substitute for reality or rational thought. Ignorance is not truth.

Dark and dangerous times lay ahead.

This may provide one small peice of evidence as to why the freedom of speech i.e. the independent/alternative media is hanging by a thread.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/02/23/breaking-adams-jones-taken-down-by-googlecia-prior-to-big-event-trump-needs-to-beware/

You can't adapt reality to fit your perception of existence. It always fails in the end.

The light of truth will always vanquish evil.



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My company does web/mobile/application analytics. We have a number of "big-name" clients.
Last week we were contacted by Alex Jones. He wanted to use our analytics on his "infowar"s site.
We let him know the cost (somewhere around $5k-$10k per month).
He insisted we should do his analytics for free, because of the "good fight" he was fighting.
We told him his politics were irrelevant, he'd have to pay like everyone else.
That was the end of that. :)

The friends of our friends may be our friends but the enemies of our enemies are not always our friends...

Don't listen to the white supremacist nutjobs who want to kill everybody who is, looks, or sounds muslim. But don't close your eyes to the evil of islam either.

Religions always believe that they are right, and that everyone else is wrong. Religions have always tried to convert all infidels by force, and kill those who wouldn't comply. The christian faiths have mostly been fenced in by secular government, freedom of speech and freedom of (and from) religion. Islam, however, does not have that much experience with it yet.

Islam still demands deference, while what it needs is secularism.

A few examples of what happens when islam gets a free pass from the separation of church and state:
* In much of Europe, it is now impossible to find any meat other than pork in your supermarket that is not halal. This means that if you want to eat chicken or beef, the animal was killed without any sedation or pain relief.
* Many schools no longer dare to teach evolution for fear of 'offending' religious students. Other schools have stopped offering swimming lessons,
* Women start to dress more conservatively when they routinely are called whore or slut on the street by young men in long dresses with long shaggy beards.
* An office where I once worked changed its lunch-and-breaks schedule during Ramadan to accomodate the practicing muslims. 80% of the office was non-muslim but we had to comply anyway. (Funny thing is that the Moroccan office of the same multi-national company does not do this: they use the same schedule year-round and close for Christmas but not Eid al Fitr.)
* Newspapers used to publish cartoons mocking anything. Then they stopped printing Mohammed. Now they are being told to also not mock Jesus, Noah, or any other 'muslim' prophet.
* Muslim women rushed to hospital to give birth, must be helped by female doctors, surgeons and nurses. Their detention officers (husband, father or even kid brother) will not allow a man to touch or see them.
* Circumcision is very rare in Europe, but at least in hospitals the damage done is limited. Increasingly, boys suffer from the kind of botched snippings that are rife in Africa. And then there's female genital mutilation, which is even more damaging.

The list goes on.

I figuratively pray that America may not fall down the slippery slope that much of Europe already has. To prevent all this, we must stand up for secularism and against theocracy whatever the franchise it tries to establish as the One True Faith.

Oh, and tell the stumped-toothed rednecks from this article to stay out of it, 'cause they're not helping.

Or belong to a non-Christian faith?

This stuff sounds right out of kooky American anti-immigrant or white nationalist groups, AfD in Germany or Britain First in the UK.



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Go over to Stormfront. Many more of your like-minded folks there. I mean that honestly. That would be a better fit for your needs.

This is a quote that my awesome sister made on FB. These are wise words IMO:

"I choose to live without fear, believing that all humans as a species have the same basic interests. We want safety, comfort and meaningful work. Fear leads to war. That's it. We should work to reduce the fear in our enemies rather than justify it."

Ideology plays a big factor. When largely different ideologies, especially differing religious cultures, are mixed it will always lead to conflict. Fear is a componant but often fear is just imagined but real.

You know what's really scary? People like Visitors Welcome and anonuk performing as scare-mongers for Islam, whilst remaining in a state of ignorance about that religion. "Oh, my child heard in school that..." Well, some of my children learned in school that the dinosaurs were in the Garden of Eden only 6,000 years ago. Children learn dumb things. Parents are the primary educators, and the teachers mere adjunct. It's your responsibility that they're not returning home with silly notions that are not fact. If you want to post about Islam, find out about it first.

Even more scary than that is how many ex-Mormons are allegedly on this site for supposed open-minded discussions on recovery from Mormonism, then attack other religions from a position of ignorance.. Hey, if we're going to be attacking religions, this particular board is about Mormonism. Still, be informed, even about Mormonism.

very, very, scary indeed

Thank you!! So frightening!

One shouldn't equate conservativism with Mormonism as it is largely a false camparison. Some conservative principles are promoted by Christianity such as the anti lgbt stance, racism and even some principles that are good such as "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", which I agree with.

However, I came to believe long ago that religion is mostly myth and prone to error. I gave up ideas put forth by religion that are false.

If you don't agree with someone elses beliefs it is better to challenge the merrits and demerrits of the bleif than to assume the idea is a holdover from ones prior religious belief.

Lets hear the merrits of your opinion and what evidence can you present to support it?

I am not scare mongering, I am informed and sharing details of modern education. Do you think the locals in jackson county were scare mongering about mormons who were repeatedly telling locals that God had given the land to them? We have demonstrations in the UK from certain corners of islam calling for the beheadings of all non believers and holding placards saying sharia law will rule UK, our sons will be convert or die, our daughters will bear muslim children and islam will rule the country.

We allow them their demonstrations but none are ever accused of hate mongering, however, british converts to islam have been jailed for being over-zealous in enforcing 'sharia zones' in parts of London. Seems converts and 3rd generation immigrants are the most radical.

You go and welcome all in with open arms and see what happens to your country in 3 generations with their 4 wives to each muslim, 3 of which will be claiming state welfare. Those muslims who do want to integrate and only have one wife and 2 or 3 kids will be tarred with the same brush as the aggressively zealous radical muslims which is very sad indeed.

People who live in socially repressed primitive conditions cannot integrate in massive groups into modern countries. They will continue to create enclaves and shun outsiders, just like the mormons did.

If calling for controlled immigration and integration makes you think me a bigot, then you carry on thinking me a bigot if it makes you feel better.

Can you give a specific example of this happening in education?

It's been disturbing to me how many closet bigots, racists, etc. have been popping up. Some of these are friends and acquaintances that I had no idea about. They are not wise enough not to repost things on FB that are obviously pretty hateful. It's causing me anxiety with physical symptoms which has never happened to me before!

It feels like peoples' ids are overriding their empathy. I know demagogues cannot rise without the complicity of people like this, so I guess that explains a few things. I'm finding it hard to accept that our composite consciousness is on much lower plane than I thought it was on. I'm finding I have to take some breaks from engagement just to maintain my mental wellness - watch the news less and read some non-fiction.

Happy Friday - you have my permission to take a break if you need to and re-energize.

I am with you mrtranquility. I just spent 5 days in the mountains with no TV. It was great. Just practice music, take hikes, sit by the fire, have a few beers and try to decompress. I have been back 2 days and ready to go again :-).

I suppose we could all use a few days of being a Luddite. I'd sure love to relax in the mountains and only take emergency calls.

This sounds amazing! I might have to talk my wife into doing something like this!

Same hear. Facebook "likes" by my Mormon family have sickened me. I think Mormons are generally racist.

Some of the comments were so disgusting I could only read a couple.

Lots of ad hominem attacks against me and anonuk, but never against our actual facts and arguments? At best, people like anybody and Loyalexmo not logged in put racist garbage in our mouth and then attack us for things we never said. Is that the best you can do?

I've said this ad nauseam: all religions are evil. I've seen the evil of mormonism and I've seen the evil of christianity, but since I have lived mostly in Morocco for the past seven years, I see more of the evil of islam. Yet no-one who knows me personally would ever call me a racist. That accusation is unfounded.

However, I will not defer to islam any more than I will defer to any other religion. The name "islaam" means "submission" and a "musleem" is "he who submits". Well, I will not submit. I'll say it in Arabic: LAAN ASTASLAM.

And believe me, all my secular friends in Morocco would love you to support them a little more. Because devout muslims in the west may face discrimination, but ex-muslims within the muslim world have a much harder time.

I'm going back home to Marrakesh this weekend. Hope to see you there soon. Visitors welcome. Of any faith or none.

My finding your views *as you state them* inaccurate, based on fearmongering and morally repugnant doesn't mean I put any words in your mouth. Actually can't find a single place I did that. We are allowed to strongly disagree. no need to get personally offended.