There was an older generation of Mormon who in 1979,opposed the ERa ammendment.If there was attempt top pass ERA legislation,would the church oppose it so vigourously as in 1979?

TSCC hasn't caught up with 1979, 1969; they're working on 1959.

They would indeed, IMO- and here's how they would do it. First, they would decry the evil influences that are marshaling all about us to thwart the work of God in these perilous times. Then they would get the RS and YW top leaders to explain,in GC, how righteous women have no need to foolishly challenge the divine role of women as declared by God himself through his prophets. Finally they would claim unequaled persecution trying to deprive us of our American Constitutional Rights of religious freedom- which, in their construct, includes the right to engage in whatever skullduggery it takes to defeat those who dare to ram their beliefs down our throats by making us do things like give equal pay for women and make rapists really pay for their crimes.

IMO.

The persecution part would claim that the feds would force the church to ordain an equal number of female bishops, stake presidents and apostles.

Yes, they do.

good question Fred Karger, I'm thinking they wouldn't oppose it like they did in the past. Mormonism has been getting softer since the days of Kimball, Tanner, Benson. The recent political movement suggest a move that's more liberal. Last year they came out and said they support legislation that prevents discrimination against gays in the workplace and in housing. They recently support civil rights for lgbt. Salt lake has it's first lesbian mayor. They allowed women to pray in conference, they associate with BSA which is involved with gay youth (this would have never happened with Kimball), They allow women to pray in sacrament meeting, they allow women to speak in conference. (again this didn't happen back in 1979)

These are major shifts to the left.



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> These are major shifts to the left.

Beginning to treat women like human beings instead of property is a "shift to the left?"

That doesn't say much for the "right," does it?

True. My present political interpretation (developed last week) is that the right believes in Merit. If a women can run as fast as the fastest man then she deserves the prize. This would be a conservative view point. But on the left she deserves the prize because they want things to be fair.

Mormonism seems to be running in the direction lately of making things more fair.

poopstone Wrote:
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> True. My present political interpretation
> (developed last week) is that the right believes
> in Merit. If a women can run as fast as the
> fastest man then she deserves the prize.

How about if a woman can run the exact same speed as an average man? Should she be paid the same for her running as the man? Or get less?
That's the issue. Which you seem to regularly miss.

> This
> would be a conservative view point. But on the
> left she deserves the prize because they want
> things to be fair.

Actually, as laid out by the current president, by the Utah party hack that just resigned, and countless others, the "conservative" view point is that women don't *deserve* equal treatment, period. Because they're women and not men.

And the "left" viewpoint is that whether you're a man or woman doesn't matter -- what you do matters. Period.

> Mormonism seems to be running in the direction
> lately of making things more fair.

As I said above, if by "more fair" you mean finally ceasing to treat women as property of their husbands, then sure -- they're making the tiniest bit of progress, but they're still way, way behind most of the world. Which isn't at all surprising, given their "scriptures" and their history, which began with JS treating women like celestial property that god told him he could "have" any time he wanted...



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Poopstone considers any treatment of women that is above considerations of them as baby-making machines, housewives, and servants of men as left-leaning liberal nonsense. He's a sexist piece of shit, and never misses an opportunity to decry the female gender as money-grubbing and inferior. Consult his history of posting for proof.



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"Equal Pay For Women Has Consequences

Editor: Here's the problem with the Equal Pay bill being considered by the Utah Legislature... Traditionally men have earned more than women in the workplace because they are considered the primary breadwinners for families. They need to make enough to support their families and allow the Mother to remain in the home to raise and nurture the children.

If businesses are forced to pay women the same as male earnings, that means they will have to reduce the pay for the men they employ... simple economics. If that happens, then men will have an even more difficult time earning enough to support their families, which will mean more Mothers will be forced to leave the home (where they may prefer to be) to join the workforce to make up the difference.

And as even more women thus enter the workforce that creates more competition for jobs (even men's jobs) and puts further downward pressure on the pay for all jobs... meaning more and more Mothers will be forced into the workforce. And that is bad for families and thus for all of society.

It's a vicious cycle that only gets worse the more equality of pay is forced upon us. It's a situation of well-meaning intentions, but negative unintended consequences.
We should encourage our Legislators to drop the whole notion. Let the marketplace determine what free-market forces should prevail. It is not the role of government to dictate to businesses what they should pay anyway... either as a Minimum Wage or Equal Pay for men and women."

James C. Green
Wasatch Co. GOP Vice-Chair



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