I often hear people say that Mormons are such "nice people".
Really?

Is it 'nice' to discriminate against the babies of good, honest, hardworking, lovely couples, just because their parents happen to be gay?

Is it 'nice' to believe in scriptures that have their Homoerotic Pagan Fertility God, Min, depicted as he usually is on Pagan temples, fully erect?

Is it nice to believe a horn dog God who advocates raping teenagers and other men's wives, even though there's no legal way to do that?

Is it nice to believe in a racist God who cursed two whole races of people with dark skin, because their fathers sinned, so that we could conveniently enslave them and commit genocide against them so we could take their land?

Is it nice to maintain the world's largest army of recruiters to go convince people to sing the praises of a con man and a child rapist who was no better than Warren Jeffs?

Is it 'nice' to send your representatives to go perform at the inauguration of the last Drone King?

20yrs after Google, the Mormons who're likely to be persuaded by logic, morality, empathy or ethics are already out. The "Nice people" got out when they googled "Joseph Smith's wives" or "Mormon RAcism" or "Mormon sex abuse" or any number of other Google searches that'd produce all the evidence any rational person would need to reach the only logical conclusion, that Joseph's Myth is a fucking fraud who raped his followers wives and teenage daughters after sending them off on some bullshit mission overseas.
The remainder are the most deeply committed to the Team.
It's a lot like being on a football team, or rooting for one, (which I'm about to go do in about 1/2hr) If you're a fan of the Seahawks and you're at a bar drinking and some guy starts yelling for the other team, he better be prepared to take a lot of shit and stand up for himself. I've seen fights break out in Seahawks Stadium. You can count on it if a drunk Raider fan starts mixing it up with a Seahawk fan. I'm sure it happens every Sunday in just about any stadium in America.
It's the same with MOrmons on FB or anywhere else on the internet.
They maintain the world's largest army of brainwashers to go out and convince the world to sing the praises of a child rapist and believe in his pornographic pagan scriptures, but when they come on the internet, they gang up on anybody who talks shit about their team.
Kind of like being in BYU stadium rooting for the Utes.
All of the sudden Mormons aint so fuckin nice anymore.



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My sentiments, precisely, koriwhore. Add to that the judgmental attitudes of TBMs toward me, being a nevermo, and it really rankles me when I hear people say things like, "....the Mormons I've met are such nice people....", blah, blah, blah.

Go ahead, someone accuse koriwhore (and me) of being prejudiced against the innocent Mormons.

We have lived Mormonism. We were brainwashed by lies and hatred.

I still believe that most people are basically GOOD. I find myself identifying Mormons out of self-defense--so I can continue with my life getting to know all the genuine, nice people who are in the MAJORITY, by the way.

Here in SLC, I am vigilant--much like I was when I lived in large cities, and had to go out alone at night. I am aware of danger, and I keep an eye out for possible assailants. I learned this skill the hard way. At BYU, I was mugged, assaulted, and almost raped--by young men who were dating friends of mine in the dorm. I was fine on the city streets, and traveling through Europe, alone, sometimes. Nothing happened at the other two universities I attended.

Mormons seem to have their own rules, laws, and definition of terms. What is "being nice" What is "friendship?" What is "Love?" Can these definitions be twisted around to embrace the Mormon attitude towards women, their threatening and brainwashing of children, the hatred and punishment of gays, their blatant lies, their stealing of money.

"Never do business with Mormons." First, I need to know if someone is a Mormon, along with their credit rating, loan qualification, their job history. Yes--we do check resumees!

Mormons are miserable people. I was one of them, and I could not tolerate feeling hatred and prejudice in my heart. Mormons are doomed by their own lack of perfection. They are taught ti believe that if they spread this misery to others, that their own misery might be mitigated.

Hence, the veneer of happiness and civility.

As a parent, it is my duty to protect my children. I want to know that they are safe, in the hands of a responsible adult, who won't lie to them, bribe them, criticize their loved ones, or try to undermine my authority as a parent. Mormons have threatened my children. Mormons have lied about me, and maligned me to my children--right in my own home. (My children and I asked them to leave.) Mormon leaders have physically abused my children. Mormon men in groups of two and three have banged on my door late at night, and shouted, "We are from church! Let us in!" They knew I was home alone.

I like your analogy of a sports team. Just like a team, the Mormons exercise their skills (at recruiting and lying to children and adults), and wear their colors, and brag loudly about themselves. True, maybe there are a few Mormons who hold a little less hatred in their heart, and might even disapprove of spanking a child in Primary, and shunning outsiders--but I think that if you support a team with your time and money, then you are no better than the rest.

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> Go ahead, someone accuse koriwhore (and me) of
> being prejudiced against the innocent Mormons.

"Innocent Mormons" looked the other way while my entire scout troop was raped, for 4 years. They knew it was going on. They knew it would go on when they installed a KNOWN pedophile to be our Scout Leader, because all the Dads were to GD lazy to volunteer for the job, so they just gave it to the loser who lived by himself and had a huge piece of property where we could all go camp out and he could pick us off one by one and rape us.
When the news came to light, "Innocent Mormons" hid it. They swept it under the carpet and pretended it never happened. THey protected the pedophile and blamed the victims. As a result the pedophile got off scott free and went on to do the same thing to a whole lot of other innocent kids. This went on for years, until somebody who wasn't a Mormon, and felt no obligation to "protect the good name of the church" turned the pedophile in and he went where he belonged, behind bars, thanks to non-mormons. Is that nice to ignore child abuse?
If so, fuck nice.


> We have lived Mormonism. We were brainwashed by
> lies and hatred.

So were 5 generations before me and I'll be damned if I remain silent now with 2 generations after me, one generation after Google.

>
> I still believe that most people are basically
> GOOD. I find myself identifying Mormons out of
> self-defense--so I can continue with my life
> getting to know all the genuine, nice people who
> are in the MAJORITY, by the way.

Same. I avoid them. Not a big fan of racist, sexist, homophobic non-empathetic people who think their shit doesn't stink.

>
> Here in SLC, I am vigilant--much like I was when I
> lived in large cities, and had to go out alone at
> night. I am aware of danger, and I keep an eye
> out for possible assailants. I learned this skill
> the hard way. At BYU, I was mugged, assaulted,
> and almost raped--by young men who were dating
> friends of mine in the dorm. I was fine on the
> city streets, and traveling through Europe, alone,
> sometimes. Nothing happened at the other two
> universities I attended.

Every Father should have taught his daughter, niece, grandaughter, friends, the Rear Naked Choke Anaconda.
Put that on a guy, any guy, and I don't care how little you are and how big he is, he will either tap out or pass out.
>
> Mormons seem to have their own rules, laws, and
> definition of terms. What is "being nice" What
> is "friendship?" What is "Love?" Can these
> definitions be twisted around to embrace the
> Mormon attitude towards women, their threatening
> and brainwashing of children, the hatred and
> punishment of gays, their blatant lies, their
> stealing of money.


Right? It's not nice to teach my kids that I'm inferior to them because I don't believe the same bullshit as them. Mormons do that to my kids all the time. Even Mormons in my own family, who are some of the biggest Mormon assholes on the planet.
>
> "Never do business with Mormons." First, I need
> to know if someone is a Mormon, along with their
> credit rating, loan qualification, their job
> history. Yes--we do check resumees!
>
> Mormons are miserable people. I was one of them,
> and I could not tolerate feeling hatred and
> prejudice in my heart. Mormons are doomed by
> their own lack of perfection. They are taught ti
> believe that if they spread this misery to others,
> that their own misery might be mitigated.
>
> Hence, the veneer of happiness and civility.

Thin veneer, which is torn open by Mormon addiction to prescription, evidenced by the fact UT is the annual recipient of the #1 Prozac prescribed state in the Union.

>
> As a parent, it is my duty to protect my children.
> I want to know that they are safe, in the hands
> of a responsible adult, who won't lie to them,
> bribe them, criticize their loved ones, or try to
> undermine my authority as a parent. Mormons have
> threatened my children. Mormons have lied about
> me, and maligned me to my children--right in my
> own home. (My children and I asked them to
> leave.) Mormon leaders have physically abused my
> children. Mormon men in groups of two and three
> have banged on my door late at night, and shouted,
> "We are from church! Let us in!" They knew I was
> home alone.

It would have been funny if you answered the door in your nighty and said, "Gee boys, I didn't expect you this late. I was in bed fucking my husband's brains out. He's exhausted. Can you come back again never?"
>
> I like your analogy of a sports team. Just like a
> team, the Mormons exercise their skills (at
> recruiting and lying to children and adults), and
> wear their colors, and brag loudly about
> themselves. True, maybe there are a few Mormons
> who hold a little less hatred in their heart, and
> might even disapprove of spanking a child in
> Primary, and shunning outsiders--but I think that
> if you support a team with your time and money,
> then you are no better than the rest.

Yep. Go team! Fuck everybody else.

As if it's any substitute for a real team, real friendship, real empathy, real love.

Think of Utah's fish. All of those antidepressants finding their way into streams and lakes. They may be the happiest fish in the country.

I know a lot of mormons that are decent people-deep down. But, their religious tenets make them take stances and actions that are contrary to their decency. When you've been conditioned since birth to "follow the prophet" and "bow your head and say yes", you lose sight of reality. The Cog-Dis that you have to possess to be an active mormon is off the charts.

Great points, koriwhore.

Thanks Don.
I love Mormons. Some of them are my best friends and family members. I come from 4 generations of Mormons, but the thing is, they were all lied to and led to believe some piece of shit ground in the middle of the desert was the American Dream and Brigham Young was a God.
Now, twenty years after Google, we have an obligation to speak up about the abuse, otherwise we're just enabling it.
At least that's how I feel about it.
I'm just shocked by ExMo's who get all bent out of shape about me asking questions about the legitimacy of the guy whose praises Mormons sing, in this day and age, with the internet and research. He's a f'ing writer for a newspaper for christ's sake. Can't he research this shit or does he just not give a shit about it?

Well they are not going to be very effective at luring people into the cult if they are anything but 'nice'. My TBM mother is super duper nice to her nevermo neighbors! And she is trying to convert them one at a time...already got one.

Recently, our closest (former) TBM friends (when they aren't shunning us), hit and killed a motorcyclist. They have expressed absolutely NO remorse, at least not in our presence. Basically, "God was in charge here."

He (not God) was charged with Misd. Vehicular Manslaughter.

Then they jaunted off to a temple wedding.

Nice they can kill someone with no remorse and blame poor old God and all of his tender mercies.

For me, that tipped the scale.

Not long afterward, this same pair's credit card was abused by someone for a few hundred dollars.

What a screaming, yelling, SH!T storm that was!

bluebutterfly, of course she is trying to convert them. The only neighbors that were what you could call 'nice' to us when wen first moved to Utah in 1993 were those who saw us as potential converts.


Once they understood that we were not interested in their 'church', their niceities cooled exponentially! So sad. In one case, these neighbors suddenly stopped asking my daughter to babysit their kids. How pathetic that attitude after killing a motorcyclist :(



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I was coming back to my hotel from my last day of vacation in a Mormon stronghold, when I stopped at a large shiny new supermarket on the outskirts of an upscale part of town.

Some old dingbat Mormon lady with her disabled husband, who was riding in his wheelchair into the grocery store, was directing his every move. She seemed to be more disabled than him in every respect, minus the fact he was the one in the wheelchair. I was still taking in the sights of the huge box supermarket, with lots of room on all sides of me (and them,) to maneuver, when I heard her remark to her husband "Watch out for that one, she isn't paying any attention to her surroundings," in her Mormony singsong passive-aggressive voice. Like her husband needed to watch out for me, walking several feet apart from both of them going in opposite directions with a wide berth on all sides. What a nutbag she was!

I wanted to slug her on my way out lolol. She reminded me of the busybody backbiting gossipy women that fill up the rank and file at church on any given Sunday. I was paying more attention than she was, and still managing to mind my own business lolol.

I was told by my lunch date today that Sandra Bullock and Oprah Winfrey both have homes in the hills nearby. Probably one of several, but are known by locals on the local "celebrity" registry of "who's who." Thought that was pretty cool. :)

I am in total agreement with you, koriwhore. The "nice" mormons I've known are far and few between. Our children were constantly either bullied or shunned. All of our kids are beautiful, intelligent, and compassionate individuals. Our son is in the medical field and last night, he used cpr and saved two lives. It was bad enough for my husband and me to be hasseled by the damn ward members here, but when it involved our kids,I wanted to be a valkyrie! We went to a few parents and had it out with them and told them to get their kids to knock it off. It didn't do much good. When our middle daughter started BYU, she stayed at Deseret Towers, and got there a few days before her roommate. As soon as she was settled in, some stupid,jealous girls opened a can of dog food, and put it on a plate in front of her door along with a note that said: "here's some food for you, you ugly dog!" Thankfully, her roommate arrived the next day,and they became good friends and were able to have a good time while they were there in spite of some jerks. No one will ever convince me that mormons as a whole are nice. Never. So glad that we are out of that business/cult!

They aren't allowed to be.

Since childhood, I've observed Mormonism's oxy-moron stance/ behavior as two-faced: the one it wears in its mind, in private, and the one it wears in its heart, especially around formons.

If the leaders - and the church as a hole - didn't say one thing and do another, it would be much easier for the members to model this consideration to non-members. Mormons are generally thought/ known to be terribly judgemental, as a rule.



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This depends totally on your own personal experiences. I have lived with and loved Mormons for decades. The ones I know and knew personally were wonderful people, honest to a fault, kind, helpful, hard working, compassionate, giving, honorable people. We are still friends with many Mormons who are reliable, good people and treat us well, just as we treat them. Our behavior, especially as a family has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with our humanity.

Mormons are like everyone else. They are people first, and religion second. Anything one human being can do, so can another from the most altruist to the most deviant. Wise to remember that. Denigrating people just because of their religion is now how we live our lives in our family.

Some people are "two faced" -- one way to your face, and stab in your back when your back is turned. I learned this in my childhood long before ever meeting a Mormon or becoming one.

Have I had experience with some Mormons who lied, were unkind, spread rumors, tried to shun me (hard to do!!), cheated, were rude, nasty, etc. Yes. It's just part of how people often behave, especially if they believe you betrayed them. Did they do those things just because they were Mormons? Maybe, sometimes. Probably not. They did those things because that is typical human behavior among most people. People in general often do stupid and illegal stuff. Goes on all the time.

Fortunately, I have no reason to dislike people for their religion. I am wise enough to know when people are not treating me well and know when to walk away when the timing is right, which I did, many times, and not because of religion, because of bad behavior.

to state the fact that Joseph Smith fucked his followers wives and teenage daughters and they sing his praises knowing this why?

I'd love to see Kirby comment on that little peculiarity of Mormonism, right?

It's not like we're at a tea party, with children, right?

Let's all be adults here.
Somebody has to ask MORmONS the obvious question raised by these new "revelations" on LDS.org that Joseph fucked his followers wives.



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People would often say Hitler was "nice people". It'll pass.

For a little exercise in observing humanity, the same can be said by substituting a variety of people for the word: "Mormons".
I found that "beneath the thin veneer of civility," some of my co-workers, team mates, family members,neighbors,doctors, dentists, salesclerks, and on and on and on, were not nice people, for instance.