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Read this to discover the true meaning of "calling and election made sure" ...
=== excerpt from Sam Young's blog post ======
I have been wanting to share in my HP quorum something like this. In fact, as I write it, I think I’ll send it to the Bishop and Stake President.
“Our history, our doctrine, our current policies and especially the stigma and prohibition of discussing these matters is coming after your children, your grandchildren, your siblings and your spouse. The sad part is that you won’t even know it until your loved ones have been eaten up by what WE are so anxious to hide from. Now is the time to talk and prepare. Now is the time to build bridges of trust, safety and understanding. If we don’t engage the discussion here, INSIDE OUR CHAPELS, our loved ones will KNOW that it’s not safe to discuss inside our chapels or with faithful church members. Instead, they will turn to the community where it IS safe to discuss history, doctrine and policy. A community where there is no stigma or prohibition. That community is populated by a small minority of faithful members and a huge majority of people who no longer believe.”
====== beyondashadow's reply to Sam =================
Greetings again, Sam!
There is a very good reason that open discussion of faith crisis and doubts is not encouraged or remotely tolerated by Church leadership … and never will be.
This is the reason:
When the troubling issues are discussed openly and honestly by intelligent people seeking to discover the unvarnished, unwhitewashed, underlying truths of the matter, there is only one possible conclusion.
The Brethren are perpetuating a colossal fraud on the entire membership of the Church. They have lied to the members and misrepresented the actual history of the Church and its ingeniously clever founder for generations.
They are knowingly and intentionally operating a Mind Control Cult that has been quite successful at deceiving, brainwashing and egregiously exploiting for financial gain, the otherwise intelligent people into surrendering control of their very own lives and fortunes to The Brethren.
The luminaries who own and control the Church are guilty of stunning array of high crimes and misdemeanors. Under the principles of the Gospel they teach from their pulpits, they themselves have their calling and election made sure all right. They have exercised their free agency and sealed their own fate and will burn in hell for what they have done . . . every last one of them.
Of course, “burn in hell” is a metaphor. The Brethren have qualified themselves for the Grand Prize behind Door #3. It’s an all expense paid vacation to a future existence where they will get to experience life as a gay Mormon youth who commits suicide after being programmed with a fatal dose of self-loathing within an organization run by people just like The Brethren.
Sam, can you think of any reason The Brethren are in any danger of “coming clean” when there is zero upside for them personally? The Essays are their best shot at pretending to be honest and open. If The Essays were discussed and dissected openly in Church, most members would go WTF and eventually leave. The Brethren realize this and will continue to eject any and all voices of honesty and integrity from the ranks of the membership.
Cockroaches require darkness to survive. They run from Light like the plague.
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https://invisiblescubit.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/gossip/comment-page-1/#comment-666
=== excerpt from Sam Young's blog post ======
I have been wanting to share in my HP quorum something like this. In fact, as I write it, I think I’ll send it to the Bishop and Stake President.
“Our history, our doctrine, our current policies and especially the stigma and prohibition of discussing these matters is coming after your children, your grandchildren, your siblings and your spouse. The sad part is that you won’t even know it until your loved ones have been eaten up by what WE are so anxious to hide from. Now is the time to talk and prepare. Now is the time to build bridges of trust, safety and understanding. If we don’t engage the discussion here, INSIDE OUR CHAPELS, our loved ones will KNOW that it’s not safe to discuss inside our chapels or with faithful church members. Instead, they will turn to the community where it IS safe to discuss history, doctrine and policy. A community where there is no stigma or prohibition. That community is populated by a small minority of faithful members and a huge majority of people who no longer believe.”
====== beyondashadow's reply to Sam =================
Greetings again, Sam!
There is a very good reason that open discussion of faith crisis and doubts is not encouraged or remotely tolerated by Church leadership … and never will be.
This is the reason:
When the troubling issues are discussed openly and honestly by intelligent people seeking to discover the unvarnished, unwhitewashed, underlying truths of the matter, there is only one possible conclusion.
The Brethren are perpetuating a colossal fraud on the entire membership of the Church. They have lied to the members and misrepresented the actual history of the Church and its ingeniously clever founder for generations.
They are knowingly and intentionally operating a Mind Control Cult that has been quite successful at deceiving, brainwashing and egregiously exploiting for financial gain, the otherwise intelligent people into surrendering control of their very own lives and fortunes to The Brethren.
The luminaries who own and control the Church are guilty of stunning array of high crimes and misdemeanors. Under the principles of the Gospel they teach from their pulpits, they themselves have their calling and election made sure all right. They have exercised their free agency and sealed their own fate and will burn in hell for what they have done . . . every last one of them.
Of course, “burn in hell” is a metaphor. The Brethren have qualified themselves for the Grand Prize behind Door #3. It’s an all expense paid vacation to a future existence where they will get to experience life as a gay Mormon youth who commits suicide after being programmed with a fatal dose of self-loathing within an organization run by people just like The Brethren.
Sam, can you think of any reason The Brethren are in any danger of “coming clean” when there is zero upside for them personally? The Essays are their best shot at pretending to be honest and open. If The Essays were discussed and dissected openly in Church, most members would go WTF and eventually leave. The Brethren realize this and will continue to eject any and all voices of honesty and integrity from the ranks of the membership.
Cockroaches require darkness to survive. They run from Light like the plague.
=================
https://invisiblescubit.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/gossip/comment-page-1/#comment-666
nobody is going to burn in hell.
relax.
relax.
I think Spong's take on this topic is always interesting. He's done a ton of research on the how's and why's of the creation of Hell.
http://deadstate.org/retired-priest-hell-was-invented-by-the-church-to-control-people-with-fear/
http://deadstate.org/retired-priest-hell-was-invented-by-the-church-to-control-people-with-fear/