They quietly change the BOM intro from "are the principle ancestors" to "are among some of the ancestors" once the DNA evidence comes out. The gas lighting going on is extremely offensive. TSCC really think we are that stupid? Granted, there are still many of our friends and family that are that stupid, I guess.

This video which is "under the guidance of the 1st Presidency" goes to show their prominent narrative and belief about the natives of the Americas.

Warning: it was hard to watch. Might make you giggle. Might also frustrate and irritate the hell out of you.

https://youtu.be/_I9LDLcIh9g

Why doesn't the prophet just tell us where the Book of Mormon took place. For fuck sake, what good is a prophet who can't tell s where the foundational text of our religion took place. Oh, sorry, I forgot, he isn't really a prophet.

If a Boner can figure this out, why can't the Morg apologists figure this out, too. Oh! Fuck! I just had a revelation! The apologists are PAID to defend the Morg no matter what.

If the prophet actually did a little prophet shit, he could clear up so many issues overnight! Then again, the prophet not clearing up these issues, is him actually clearing up these issues! Silence is an answer too!

Kinda like confronting your significant other of cheating. If they don't give you an answer, well, there's your answer! :/

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> If the prophet actually did a little prophet shit,

Maybe this would make a good bumper sticker for where we live:

"Show me a little prophet shit." No, that isn't right...they'd pull out a pair of used Depends...

"The Prophet is a little shit!" This would probably be offensive to TBMs...I don't want to do that.

"Shit the little prophet says." Well, the concept has been used before...

"Prophets need to shit too?" Only stating the obvious...

"My prophet says little shit." This would work, but for how long?

Someone, help me out!

"The LDS Prophet: Good at profiting, but bad at propheting"

Great concept!

"LDS prophets: God's little turds"

"I'm sustained as shit"

"I'm sustained 'n shit"

"My prophet drives and Audi"

"Prophets profiteering with seer stones since 1830"

"My profit can beat up your prophet."

"Reality calling the Brethren... Just because someone tells you a made up story in childhood doesn't make it true."

"Da prophet don't say shit!" :-)

I'm pretty sure I saw this back in the day. Long time ago, but seemed very familiar.

What a gem. And, GUIDED by the first presidency! Good. They can't take it back. Oh wait. That's right. Proof doesn't stop them from taking things back or correcting the most correct book.

The music is seriously hard to take. Creepy, creepy, creepy. It makes you think some ancient Lamanite is going to pop up any second and devour the commentator who is cleverly wearing Khaki to give him that authentic aura of an Indiana Jones type or maybe Jim Fowler.

I had to laugh when he said that besides the BoM fitting so well with the Central American archeology relics, that it also answers many of life's most important questions. Huh? What? I was wondering what those were and then it hit me: "What should I do if I find a Jewish keeper of the brass plates passed out drunk in the streets of Jerusalem?"

Important to know how God answers that one.

I thought it was funny how they said many of the relics and customs fit with the people of Asia. Little did they know what they were accidentally admitting to....that DNA would prove later on. Haha

Yeah, JS was getting revelations all[\ the time that began with "Since you asked, my son...."

So why don't these latter day dudes just ask...you know....with a sincere heart.

If God can lead JS to a stone box, it should be easy to explain where Zarahemlaville is on a google map.

But they can't do that. Because then we wouldn't need "faith". Haha

DNA studies kind of soured the milk and spoiled the meat.

Thank you; I managed to make it all the way through without upchucking, but I'm in sore need of a bath.

SL Cabbie

Not logged in and scrambling madly to find a fresh bullchip filter…

This one's a keeper, folks, honest Lamanite

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I am familiar with this movie from many years ago. To it I say

BULLSHITSKI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OtBfBGCaABU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=34RSjrn-2y4

...and more entertaining.

"Ancient America Speaks" with forked tongue.



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I can recite this in Norwegian in my sleep and even beep when it's time to change the slide.

"I can recite this in Norwegian in my sleep and even beep when it's time to change the slide."

<chuckle> We old missionaries know exactly what you're talking about.

I got home from my mission 40 years ago, but I still have my old Jack West filmstrip and cassette tape somewhere around the house.

Tons of other "classic" LD$ movies/slideshows/audio clips are posted under the same account - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAnRNCf5m5I0pEdqYMfGOgA/videos. Watching bits and pieces of them brings me back in time to many sleepy hours spent(/wasted) in early-morning seminary.

Being an old-timer who was born when the Church President wore
a beard, this bit of nostalgia brings back memories. Back then
Mormons were all abuzz with mesoamerican archaeology. It was
"proving the Book of Mormon." Any day now, we all thought,
they will find something down there that will prove it beyond
question.

I remember when "the Lehi Tree-of-Life Stone" was popular. It
turned out to be a stela with some figures on it that a Mormon
anthropologist was able to force (by some creative
parallomania) into representing Lehi's Tree-of-Life dream. M.
Wells Jakeman's efforts were so "creative" that even Hugh
Nibley said he was stretching things too far.

Ah, but as Mesoamerican archaeology progressed and the Mayan
hieroglyhpic writing was finally deciphered, the Church
mentioned archaeology less and less.

"Ancient America Speaks" harkens back to a time when Mormons
could say this kind of baloney without someone knowledgeable
pointing out the flaws. This happened to me back in my
freshman year away from home about a year before I'd be old
enough to go on my mission. I met a grad student in
mesoamerican archaeology. "Aha," I thought to myself, "now is
my chance to make a golden contact." I brought up the idea
that maybe Quezalcoatl was actually Jesus Christ visiting his
sheep of an other fold. Something I'd heard repeatedly in
Church.

Bless her soul, she endured my naive efforts and then calmly
pointed out how what I said couldn't be true because of the
time line. Quetzalcoatl was about a thousand or so years too
late to have been Jesus, etc.

It was one of the many small awakenings I had that first year
away from home at a non-Mormon university.

This is the reason the top guys have lowered the missioary
age. They wanted to eliminate that year of open-minded
learning that preceded the choice to go on a mission. They
wanted the kids to be totally church-broke before they went out
on their own without a parent of church leader over their
shoulder 24/7.

Oh, by the end of my freshman year I had decided AGAINST a
mission. It took me another dozen years before I finally was
able to accept (psychologically) that the Church really might
not be true. And that was all it took. The shelf crashed
during elders quorum meeting one spring Sunday morning in 1978.

I'm probably close to your age. I remember very well many people believing or at least positing that Jesus was Quetzalcoatl. I remember feeling proud to be in on that secret and feeling it was proof divine. We felt the discoveries in Mesoamerica left us on the brink of having the world know we were right about the BoM.

This that you have said is gold:

". . . to eliminate that year of open-minded learning . . ."

Knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing for the Mormon church.

I guess even with all those PhDs you still can't fix stupid.

BYU where a MORmON can get a PhD in Book of MORmON studies and then make a good living tellling /teaching other MORmONS about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BQrl4EZ07Y

Paul Cheesman was the author of the book and the narrator of the movie. He was my Mission Pres in Louisiana Baton Rouge in 1980.

Kind of full of himself with his pseudo scholarship. He'd do firesides and show off some pottery and other stuff he heisted from Central/South America. I tried to get into it back then, but I was pretty underwhelmed by it.

His Wikipedia write-up lists the criticism of his shoddy practices within the Apologist community.