My question is
1. Is Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff still relevant?

In their heyday Gurdjieff was a major figure, with Crowley to a much less degree. Gurdjieff dancing is on you tube

No. And just because you found out Mormonism is completely bogus doesn't mean you can go off the rails. It means you have to discover your own morality.

Babyloncansuckit Wrote:
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> No. And just because you found out Mormonism is
> completely bogus doesn't mean you can go off the
> rails. It means you have to discover your own
> morality.


Precisely.

Just like many cult leaders, JS did what he wilt and then codified it as if it was the whole of the law (from god).

Nice work if you can get it.

I know way too much about this subject and would love to discuss it but am just not up to tapping it out on my phone.

Crowley was the 'wickedest man in the world' between the wars

after 1939, his relevance diminished greatly.... the world had a new 'wickedest man'..... and the title has been hotly contested ever since
when he died, the world was coming to terms with the death camps and the holocaust.

he was a bisexual poondawg, railing against his strict (was it 'plymouth brethren?) christian upbringing.


both Gurdijieff and Crowley have made an impression on those who want to play at magick. But Crowley was the one who made it onto the cover of 'sgt Peppers'....

they are still famous, to an extent, and I expect people will be writing about them for a while yet.... but relevant? No

when you have major media and music personalities endorsing crowley by wearing clothes plastered with 'do what thy wilt' all over then yes, he is still relevant.

Never heard of Gurdijieff before today so will check it out but I have met many people over the past 20-odd years who have read crowley, practised sigil magick and claim it to have worked for them.

anonuk Wrote:
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> when you have major media and music personalities
> endorsing crowley by wearing clothes plastered
> with 'do what thy wilt' all over then yes, he is
> still relevant.


never seen that..... but the wiccans say 'do what thou wilt an it harm none', which (apart from the fact that wicca is a load of shite) is a lot more positive than crowleys version

> Never heard of Gurdijieff before today

check out some fortean times or books on 'magick'...he had a more *philosophical* outlook than crowley


> I have met many people over the
> past 20-odd years who have read crowley, practised
> sigil magick and claim it to have worked for them.


I dont doubt that some people make that claim...... then they grow up

unable to post link but if you do a google search for "jayz do what thou wilt" you will see lots of lots of crowley-ish & OTO stuff on clothes and in lyrics in the music business, so it is in effect being deliberately and directly targeted at kids.

Crowley never advised followers to refrain from harming others, in fact he encouraged taking revenge on those who 'deserved' it, unlike the wiccan mantra.

George Gurdjieff, like Krishnamurti, was a occultist, philosopher, and con artist.

Does this remind you if JS.

crowley was just another bullshit artist.

Dave the atheist,

Crowley was mostly a conman, but maybe not entirely. The OTO, ordi templis orient is, still lingers.