Big coup at Mormon Stories.

Emphasis on the fact this is a young, CUTE, stereoptypically perky young sister who served a mission, who slowly apostized during her domestic mission. This is important, because up to now most stories of today's mishies leaving TSCC are elders, a sizable number of them because they want to come out of the closet. I am of the belief that young females will become more numerous and maybe even outnumber elders because a) females as a rule tend to be more religiously devout and more inclined to stay loyal to the church they grew up in and b) They're easier to brainwash and keep in the fold and c) they're CUTE, and some in TSCC may think springing "honey traps" are more effective of luring in new members to baptize.

http://www.mormonstories.org/rose-sorenson-becoming-atheist-as-a-missionary/

This photo:
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is so common and so typical of the kind of sister missionaries you see in public. One could never guess someone would ever disavow religion while "serving the Lord". One wonders, could there be more out there like her???

I'd like to hear from current Utah/Idaho high school students if there are indeed boys that are voicing skepticism towards The Morg in the hallways but that the girls in the hallways today act the same as past generations of TBM teenage girls.

I see she's fully embracing the spaghetti strap top.

She has de-cluttered her wardrobe along with her mind.

Atheist porn shoulders!

Yeah, pretty scandalous. I just had to watch.

A lovely video by a lovely (and very intelligent) girl!

Thanks for posting it.

It's so nice to see someone who got out more or less undamaged.

Tom in Paris

You say you're of the personal belief that young females are easier to brainwash? That is really offensive and untrue. Along with categorizing all as CUTE! The only thing bad thing here, according to you, is that the LDS church will exploit the latter. Maybe look at your own views.

Go Rose!

I can't help but wonder if she's related to the Sorensons I knew growing up. I hope so. That family could use a few apostates.

Congratulations, welcome to "sin".

You're obsession with her looks and view that women are easier to brainwash is disgusting shows that you haven't left the church that far behind.

Not to mention referring to a woman in her mid twenties as "girl". How old does she need to be to be referred to as an adult? And how many men are described as "perky"?

This is just so true.
I didn't comment on it because I've noticed this many times, but I'll jump on to support this observation.

It's one of the reasons I dislike most exmo men as much as I dislike most mormon men.

You can take the dick out of the church but you can't take the dick out of the dick.
That requires further surgery.


Looking at her picture made me remember when I de-cluttered my wardrobe though.... memories.

Good luck to you. There's probably not a single person on this planet you like.

I wouldn't know how you'd come to that conclusion based on my comment.

I said I do not like MOST mormon men.

I find many exmormon men to be the same, but exmo.

Not all, but many.

On the other hand, I like a lot of men, as long as their not dicks.

On the other hand, there are a lot of dicks.

But if everybody in the world were dicks, then you're right, I likely wouldn't like any of them.

I'm funny that way, not enjoying being around dicks.

You must live in a very disappointing world. I don't know a single man, including my husband, who talks about intelligent grown women this way.

there are not many on this planet that I like either.

100%

Wixom Wrote:
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> You're obsession with her looks and view that
> women are easier to brainwash is disgusting shows
> that you haven't left the church that far behind.

The fact that you didn't read what I wrote carefully and that you ASSUMED something (not to mention the poor grammar of yours) is indicative that you are still feeling after-effects of your own indoctrination, and cannot discern things any more that the average TBM.

We've seen sister missionaries in the field and out on Temple Square. As mentioned in other threads they have photo applications for Temple Square assignments that the Q15s examine. Have you ever met a sister mish who wasn't giggly or smiling all the time? One who gave off tomboyish or even butch-ish vibes? Have you ever glossed at all the blogs and photos of young sisters; ever see how the pose in photos and their writing skills? Ever see those videos of young females being "called to serve"? Do you think TSCC isn't keen on using the most malleable, the most gullible, the least questioning or with the least likelihood to rationalize things and facts?

Do you ever think these giggly young women would be the type to investigate Joe Smith's philandering and fraud schemes? Do you really think these perky sorts would dare ask their bishop why women cannot have the priesthood?
Then you'll understand why it's a major coup the the burgeoning landscape of former Mormons now includes those you would think be unlikely to join them. Those few GAs and higher-ups reading Dehlin's site (and I believe there are at least a few who do so) have got to be crapping their garments and how easily Sister Sorenson fooled her mission president, her fellow missionaries, and her ward back home.

And again with "giggly" and "perky." I don't assume anything based on their femininity. You apparently do.

And are you really trying to play grammar cop, given your posts? Wow.



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I agree. I made a similar comment about two up from yours.

August generally finds me with a bit more time on my hands than usual, and these interviews with recent missionaries have been enlightening as to what the LDS Church is like now.

It sounds like a mission is the same guilt inducing mind warp it was 16 years ago--Mein Gott--has it been that long, but with i-pads.

Thanks to Rose and all the others, who shared their story with John Dehlin. It's good to see people figuring this out at a young age.

Would anybody care then. Would John have her on to share her story?

I didn't think she was all that cute. She was a bit overweight for someone only 24.

So no, I don't know how John screens his video interviews. But describing her as cute and perky, yeah she's all that.

But not any more than most 24 year olds at her age IMO.

Actually I found her a little 'too' perky. It almost seemed like it was forced. Like she pretended to go along on her mission by faking her testimony to convince herself the church wasn't true.

I don't find her being all that honest even now. There's something about her overly perkiness that just doesn't seem right. Maybe she still has to grow into her skin, as an ex-Mormon. She's still very young and has lots of growing up to do.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/25/2016 04:13PM by Amyjo.

You do know that real life doesn't work this way, right?

You can erase the blackboard, but you can't erase memories.

Internalized misogyny out the wazoo. If this was a guy we wouldn't call him "too" anything.

Thanks Amyjo for being honest about the things you didn't like about this. And thanks to those who noticed the sexism, gendered language, and infantilizing. I was too scared to comment on her weight even though I'm a woman (Ha! Verboten for men!).

We don't all have to like the same things. To each their own.

I'm glad to see someone get out of the cult.
And start to use reason instead of warm, fuzzy feelings.
I don't care if the person is male or female.
I don't care if they're cute and perky, ugly and grumpy, or anything in between.
I'm just glad to see someone get out of the cult.

All I know is, my mission sure weighted down my shelf. It was one of the major factors that allowed me to put two and two together and finally leave a few years later.

Interesting, to me, is the fact that numerous commenters on Dehlin's website, in follow-up to Rose's story, express their own doubts about the church.

As Amyjo pointed out, she is quite pudgy for her age. I hope she monitors her weight and health, before she becomes simply an obese middle age woman. She does come across as intelligent enough to not allow that to happen :) As some posters have mentioned, I did not think she was "overly perky". Hopefully, too, she has friends(and maybe even family members)who will view this story of hers and discover their own doubts regarding the truthfulness of tscc!

All in all , I applaud Rose Sorensen for sharing her story. I do think that Dehlin should practice just allowing his interviewees to continue speaking rather than, what I perceive, as interrupting them too frequently.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/25/2016 08:28PM by cinda.

We've gone from insulting her intelligence to insulting her weight. I don't even have words.

She left the church and her "pudginess" is the issue?

If this was a chubby man, "monitoring his health" would not even be mildly mentioned.

Sometimes this board disgusts me.

I am a man and it disgusts me too.

It's a basic attitude among a lot of people, which is funny because some of the people who criticize chubbier women turn around and ask for sex acts when their thin girlfriend isn't around....

It's so incredibly paternalistic to assume someone needs their "health monitored."

I was not insulting her weight but simply replying to others' comments about her weight.

That's right, Cinda. Neither you nor I was insulting her weight.

I was responding to Hedning's question as to would Dehlin have found her "interview worthy" had she been fat and homely looking?

It doesn't seem that Dehlin really was weighing in on her looks, to me. As for her weight being a factor, to which I responded to Hedning was that she wasn't exactly slim to begin with.

Why should that be something to focus on, when her message was that she simply thought her way out of the cult?

What I found disturbing was what I considered her frankness about using deception to go on her mission.

She basically spent a year and a half preaching the gospel to unbelievers, knowing in her heart she was only there to find out for herself if it was true, and to convince herself it wasn't.

That same perkiness she employed to mask her true feelings to deceive her mission leaders she is still employing in her interview to Dehlin. That she could still be using deception didn't escape me, because she is perfectly comfortable in doing that as she demonstrated during her interview.

So I question her honesty not only with others, but with herself.

And just like you, I thought to myself I hope she learns to take better care of herself so she doesn't have a serious problem when middle age rolls around.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/25/2016 10:33PM by Amyjo.

I find Rose's story another glimpse of how being indoctrinated in the cult of Mormonism is not the same as being taught as a child the art of critical thinking.

Rose, in my opinion, is still a work in progress of figuring her way out of the cult of Mormonism. I believe she saw different conflicting aspects in her youth which she has had to face and attempt to work through on her own, such as receiving from her parents how important college was for women as opposed to the cult indoctrination telling her that being a wife and mother must be her prime goal, her own ability to do some aspects of critical thinking again opposed to the cult telling her that obeying and not thinking on her own is what she is required to do. These dilemmas she faced and more were all issues she had to contend with and I give her many kudos for just getting in and doing the best she could to unravel the web.

I wish her much luck, and give her thumbs up for the thinking she is doing outside the box and willingness to try new avenues of discovery. This is what someone her age has the right to do.

Your belief about women being easier to brainwash is incorrect and unfounded.

And your post is hugely sexist and dismissive. Perky and cute?! Gross.



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Clearly I have a different definition of cute. I suppose she could be considered as a honeytrap, but only to an actual bear. Mormons won't mind if a plain jane like this leaves

How is this a major coup? This is some low low low level mormon. So she happens to be 1 of 80'000 missionaries, big deal. She is young and unsophisticated. As far as the spaghetti straps are concerned, she is clearly trying to make some point but it is lost because they do not suit her.

A big coup is a sitting GA or Stake President. A big coup is not some nobody in amongst the crowd.

Another thing that baffles me is why care about what an atheist says. An atheist is opposed to any religion. Its not particularly relevant or reflective of the mormon faith. It might as well be on a catholic site. Im interested in what people with religious faith think not those who have none.

The point of her refusing to follow oppressive Mormon modesty standards is lost because you don't find her hot?

So the only worth someone's political point has, if they are female, is based on their relative beauty. Great.

I hope the admin deletes this entire thread as abusive to an individual exmo.

Her body shape and weight.
"Cuteness" voting.
Her clothes.
Dissecting her character, motives and authenticity.
Her "importance" as a Mormon.

Can it get uglier? I'm sure it can.

I've seen far better behavior.

Again, please delete this in case she searches her name. It is out of bounds. It could be harmful to her and her healing process.

Seriously disgusting. And blind to their own misogyny. After I left the church I quickly realized this board was as deeply, disturbingly sexist as they come, while pretending to be "evolved" since Mormon days.

Any post about a woman and sex and you'll see this here. But this one took the cake.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/29/2016 04:04PM by woodsmoke.

“Clearly I have a different definition of cute.”

“How is this a major coup? This is some low low low level mormon. So she happens to be 1 of 80'000 missionaries, big deal.”


These are just two examples of people disagreeing with the OP's description/opinion of the former sister. Poor Rose seems to be collateral damage because I don't think people would volunteer these kinds of comments out of the blue.

OTOH, she *did* put herself on a well-known "anti" podcast. That's the risk she took.

Funny, I didn't hear her discussing her relative hotness. I heard a young woman and RM discuss leaving the church. But I forgot, we only support that if it's a guy who wants to complain about how the church oppressed him. We've discussed many men here who put themselves out there publicly. I've never seen them scrutinized like this.

I really enjoyed this interview. All I could do was compare myself at 21 to her. Actually no comparison other than we were both female and had been raised mormon. How different my life would have been if I'd had a sliver of her self-confidence, dedication, ability to think rationally, and just overall smarts.

I love that she set out on a mission to figure it out. And when she did, she still followed through with her commitment, looked for the good, but made plans for her future. This girl will go far.