I'm not going to link to it.

I just want opinions/insights regarding one aspect of the following quote from the article:

"According to the University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center, from 2005-09 Brigham Young University graduated more students who went on to earn Ph.D.s than all but four U.S. universities."


What percentage of these BYU graduates who got their Ph.D.s remain (or even were) TBM?

And what percent are now gainfully employed in their original area of study?

1. What universities awarded the PhD's? I bet many of them were granted by BYU, as their grads just stayed in Provo. Whoop-de-doo.

2. What fields were the PhD's in? Hell, I'm pretty sure BKP had a PhD in Education. He sure advanced and improved the knowledge base in that area, didn't he? Educating young men on "little factories" and "life-giving substances."

not logged in Wrote:
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> 1. What universities awarded the PhD's? I bet many
> of them were granted by BYU, as their grads just
> stayed in Provo. Whoop-de-doo.
>
> 2. What fields were the PhD's in? Hell, I'm pretty
> sure BKP had a PhD in Education. He sure advanced
> and improved the knowledge base in that area,
> didn't he? Educating young men on "little
> factories" and "life-giving substances."

My thoughts exactly, especially the first. On the second, to be fair, it turns out that most PhDs outside of academia never publish after their dissertation, just because the process in itself is incredibly painful and time-consuming.

I'm still on a PhD track, and although I never went to BYU, I find it hard to believe that a lot of them would do well in a true primary research environment outside of BYU. Once your research gets ripped into pieces by your first publication committee and you realize that not everyone believes in the one-true-world-order propagated by Mormonism, I feel like most would be hard-pressed to leave either Mormonism or academia. Very few probably survive in both.

I was wondering about the fields myself. I knew an EQP who got his PhD in dairy science, shooting the cows full of hormones. Not a promising venue for critical thinking.

I can't post the link but this map show that for Utah it is Misc. Post Secondary Teachers.

disproportionately-high-paying-job-state-map.png

Mormons and their Phd mills.

Depends what you got your PhD in. I know a lot of members who got their PhDs and are hard core.

just because you've been taught logic does mean you need apply it.

That is from the "national Opinion Research center"... how can we give this any creedence when it appears to be only an
opinion. I call bull shit on the Deseret News.

If I'm way off the mark on this Elder Olddog can punish me

severely .



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> I call bull shit on the Deseret News.

It is a little too late for that. Bullshit is their bread and butter.

Yeah, what the hell was I thinking?

BYU is nowhere to be found in any of these lists:

http://www.thecollegesolution.com/the-colleges-where-phds-get-their-start/

The author is making a pitch for Reed so that might be something to be considered. The same for the Deseret News article. They are trying to sell BYU so they will cherry pick among the numerous rankings available to pick the few lists that make BYU look good.

And also not on any other lists I could find, either ....

This is a lie.

Mormons and Jews make up about the same population, yet no MORmON has ever received a Nobel Prize, while Jews have earned over 100, last time I checked.
Why?
Because like Neil DeGrass Tyson says, "Once you conlude the answer is God, you become worthless to me in the lab, because you have given up the search for the real cause."
IOW, the only people left in the MORmON Crutch are the ones who are too intellectually lazy to do the math.
2+2=4...
...unless,
God (the Crutch) says so.



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What percent are men vs. women? It would seem likely LDS men are more likely to go on for a Ph.D. Because they end up being sole providers....

That's also what I would assume, that LDS men are more likely to get a Masters or Ph.D. because the women tend to drop out of college while they're raising children. Many women do return to finish at least an Associate's or Bachelor's degree after those children are all in school, but many others never finish college.

BYU is a HUGE university. It has a gazillion students. If you
count BYUI and BYUH as well as BYUP, then the total number of
Students at BYU is over 50,000. That's huge. So is seems like
saying that Californians buy more shoes than people from any
other state. That's because California has the highest
population of any state.

elderolddog Wrote:
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> "According to the University of Chicago's National
> Opinion Research Center, from 2005-09 Brigham
> Young University graduated more students who went
> on to earn Ph.D.s than all but four U.S.
> universities."

Quantity does not mean quality.

For example, McDonald's supposedly sells more food than any other company in the world.
That makes McDonald's big and ubiquitous (and cheap). Not good. :)

Too lazy, sinful, and offended to look for it, but there must be rankings of schools, programs, and degrees by QUALITY.

And I did see some stats comparing the number of men vs. women with Bachelors Degrees. Yes, Utah had the biggest gender gap. There were more women with four-year degrees in most of the rest of the U.S.

BYU doesn't make the top 50 in this list...

http://diycollegerankings.com/50-50-highlights-colleges-producing-the-most-students-receiving-phds/11028/

Here's a question: How many get their doctorate degree and then stay at home and never do a damn thing with it?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/top-50-schools-that-produce-science-phds/

hmmm, maybe the Morgue is lying?

Also, that BYU-I does not have any post-graduate department. Nor does BYU-H. Only BYU Provo.

Also, it sounds that deseret news article, like most deseret news articles, was nothing but bullshit, spread nice and thick.